The Wonder Woman thing makes the Talia story not less shitty. That's not even an argument. And I do think that Morrison making Batman's only major poc love interest into an outright villain helped encouraging the racist portrayals we've got since then.
It's sad to see that Talia's portrayal was less offensive back in the day then it is now.
Is it already available on internet?
And Dami, I love you but you really need to learn how to compliment person properly. I mean, if you throw gold covered with shit on someone's head, you can't expect them to find completely grateful for the gold and not feel angry because you make them hurt and dirty. But yeah, now he already develop so much and truthfully compliment Tim, I'm proud of him.
My feeling about Talia is... complicated. As you know, I am new fan of DC and I only follow Batfam stories (and Superman a little) so I have no idea how is Talia's character back then. But I kinda picture her on some point similiar to Damian. I mean, Dami is heir of LoA, but many people forget that means Talia is the princess of LoA. I bet on her childhood she was treated similiar as Damian, same harsh training, same high expectation, same thought that she is the best of the best in this world. Person like that will not handle rejection with good heart, especially when the one who reject them is their own son, whom they nurture since birth. Don't forget, Damian did not choose Bruce over Talia, he chose DICK over Talia. To let go of your son for someone whom you once loved it's different than to let go of your son for a silly circus boy (at leat I think that how she feel about Dick). How do you feel when your own son reject you and choose a man younger than you, much less experienced than you? We know how Damian reacted on rejection, how angry he is, how explosive he is. Talia I think will act the same, if not worse.
But I hate her (or interpretation of her character) on Deathstroke arc. I just feel, what was she doing? The arc feel pointless, I don't even know what she wanted to gain on that arc? For Deathstroke to undo his sterilization and fuck her? What the hell?
If I must choose Talia or Selina, I will choose Talia. I don't really fond of Selina, when I still watched anime, I really hate characters who end their sentence with 'meow'. I think that's really annoying. But I really hate Selina when she (unintentionally) distracted Bruce on beach when Dami tied on chair and watched Alfred's killing process. And you wanna make me believe that Talia, the Daughter of Demon Talia, with harsh training since childhood and maybe by Ra's himself, lost to a thieving cat who maybe never killed someone before? I hope Talia just tested her and did not seriously fight her.
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Talia does have a lot to answer. She had no reason to rape Bruce. But she is use to getting the results she wants
I prefer they not even try to justify that particular decision and just keep on pretending it only happened in Morrison's head. Bruce and Talia were very much in love when Damian was conceived. There was no reason to write Talia date raping him. If there's one thing Bruce is always down for, it's irresponsible sex. Just ask Selina and the multiple rooftops they've done it on.
Talia's killing of Damian were confirmed to being the result of being under the control of a madness of some form that was taken out of her. They are contained in two Black pearls which she presented to Damian in Robin Son of Batman.
She meet up with him to reconcile and even help him stop an ancient cult from destroying the world.
wasn't making an argument or even trying to counter you have your opinion and I have mine which is that bringing in a character that has zero to do with the plot. Who had no stakes in Bruce's love life just to set up a ship is shitter to me.
Talia losing at sword fight is nothing compared to smearing a character.
talia losing in a sword fight is nothing when she has dropped a nuke on bludHaven and already written as seducing a traumatised kid because jason was teenager when he was killed off so unless aged when he was he was still a teen. So yeah losing is nothing when a character has been written FAR worse.
WW was degraded. he was turned into a would be adulteress.
Talia was already a mass murderer before Morrison. So she was already villainous POC before Morrison