Carol Danvers: Captain Marvel Appreciation 2020

[Ichijinijisanji]

Yeah, Carol's paycheck is still probably smaller than less powerful, less experienced male Avengers.

She probably can't get a number of medical procedures without asking a man's permission first.

Sure, Carol's a world famous superhero who had an apartment in the statue of liberty, she's held a number of high profile jobs with access to highly sensitive data.....but people probably still tell her she needs to smile more.

Carol might have more privilege than a lot of others, but even she doesn't live in a world where she's treated equally. Not yet.

1) Carol would never stand for that nonsense. She bargained with Jameson in her very first issue as Ms. Marvel for equal pay for a mag editor. Not to mention the avengers are heroes and they wouldn't stand for nonsense either.

2) Carol doesn't have to worry about medical procedures when she has so many friends and her physiology is beyond the average doctor anyway.

3) People telling her to smile more is relatively minor compared to the **** she's been through.

The closest she came to not being treated equally recently is because of her Kree heritage which is not sexism based.

[VirusChan]

Feminism. She is a woman who broke through the glass ceiling to follow her dreams despite her father’s sexism.

She was originally the head of a woman’s magazine for a reason

Modern depictions of Carol’s father is exactly the problem I have with relating Carol to modern feminism. It seems that her writers ignore the fact he was originally depicted as a good man who simply failed to see Carol as anything other than his little girl or how heartbroken he was when he heard of Carol’s encounter with Rouge. They seem to omit the page immediately after the original telling of Carol’s argument with her father, showcasing the two men in Carol’s life that lifted her up. Michael Rossi who taught her everything she needed to know about special operations for air force intelligence and Mar-Vell whose acts of heroism would grant Carol not only her powers but would fulfill her heart's desire to explore the depths of space yet in ways she never dreamt possible.

I am all for Carol being a feminist, a second wave feminist bra burning for women’s lib, but I am getting annoyed at the constant stream of writers whom opt to ignore the significant contributions from the men in Carol’s life for the goal of promoting a brand of feminism the the character was never made for. If Carol is to truly be a feminist character then she should not be called Captain Marvel, she should be called either Ms. Marvel or Warbird and be garbed in her Lightning bolt costume because that is a look and identity she built all her own.

The question has been asked “What does Carol Danvers represent?” but I think that is the wrong question. What does it mean to be Captain Marvel? What does it mean to Carol? And I think that has been answered quite well before. In the ending of Secret Avengers #28 (2012), as Carol reminisces about a recently resurrected Mar-Vell that goes to sacrifice himself one last time she states this: “The image of a lone man willing to sacrifice his opportunity for life for a world and a people that forsook him. Inspired by the very notion such nobility is possible. Captain Marvel. The name will always define the best in us. Perhaps it should live on.”

[Will Evans]

I guess Carol starting in 2012 as Captain Marvel represents fourth wave feminism

[Ascended]

1) Carol would never stand for that nonsense. She bargained with Jameson in her very first issue as Ms. Marvel for equal pay for a mag editor. Not to mention the avengers are heroes and they wouldn't stand for nonsense either.

2) Carol doesn't have to worry about medical procedures when she has so many friends and her physiology is beyond the average doctor anyway.

3) People telling her to smile more is relatively minor compared to the **** she's been through.

The closest she came to not being treated equally recently is because of her Kree heritage which is not sexism based.

You are clearly missing both the tongue-in-cheek sarcasm as well as the actual message.

[Geraldofrivia]

Modern depictions of Carol’s father is exactly the problem I have with relating Carol to modern feminism. It seems that her writers ignore the fact he was originally depicted as a good man who simply failed to see Carol as anything other than his little girl or how heartbroken he was when he heard of Carol’s encounter with Rouge. They seem to omit the page immediately after the original telling of Carol’s argument with her father, showcasing the two men in Carol’s life that lifted her up. Michael Rossi who taught her everything she needed to know about special operations for air force intelligence and Mar-Vell whose acts of heroism would grant Carol not only her powers but would fulfill her heart's desire to explore the depths of space yet in ways she never dreamt possible.

I am all for Carol being a feminist, a second wave feminist bra burning for women’s lib, but I am getting annoyed at the constant stream of writers whom opt to ignore the significant contributions from the men in Carol’s life for the goal of promoting a brand of feminism the the character was never made for. If Carol is to truly be a feminist character then she should not be called Captain Marvel, she should be called either Ms. Marvel or Warbird and be garbed in her Lightning bolt costume because that is a look and identity she built all her own.

The question has been asked “What does Carol Danvers represent?” but I think that is the wrong question. What does it mean to be Captain Marvel? What does it mean to Carol? And I think that has been answered quite well before. In the ending of Secret Avengers #28 (2012), as Carol reminisces about a recently resurrected Mar-Vell that goes to sacrifice himself one last time she states this: “The image of a lone man willing to sacrifice his opportunity for life for a world and a people that forsook him. Inspired by the very notion such nobility is possible. Captain Marvel. The name will always define the best in us. Perhaps it should live on.”

i don't think her being called Captain Marvel has anything to do with feminism but Marvel's attempt to protect the rights to Captain Marvel name.

[LordAllMIghty]

Modern depictions of Carol’s father is exactly the problem I have with relating Carol to modern feminism. It seems that her writers ignore the fact he was originally depicted as a good man who simply failed to see Carol as anything other than his little girl or how heartbroken he was when he heard of Carol’s encounter with Rouge. They seem to omit the page immediately after the original telling of Carol’s argument with her father, showcasing the two men in Carol’s life that lifted her up. Michael Rossi who taught her everything she needed to know about special operations for air force intelligence and Mar-Vell whose acts of heroism would grant Carol not only her powers but would fulfill her heart's desire to explore the depths of space yet in ways she never dreamt possible.

I am all for Carol being a feminist, a second wave feminist bra burning for women’s lib, but I am getting annoyed at the constant stream of writers whom opt to ignore the significant contributions from the men in Carol’s life for the goal of promoting a brand of feminism the the character was never made for. If Carol is to truly be a feminist character then she should not be called Captain Marvel, she should be called either Ms. Marvel or Warbird and be garbed in her Lightning bolt costume because that is a look and identity she built all her own.

The question has been asked “What does Carol Danvers represent?” but I think that is the wrong question. What does it mean to be Captain Marvel? What does it mean to Carol? And I think that has been answered quite well before. In the ending of Secret Avengers #28 (2012), as Carol reminisces about a recently resurrected Mar-Vell that goes to sacrifice himself one last time she states this: “The image of a lone man willing to sacrifice his opportunity for life for a world and a people that forsook him. Inspired by the very notion such nobility is possible. Captain Marvel. The name will always define the best in us. Perhaps it should live on.”

Well said.

i don't think her being called Captain Marvel has anything to do with feminism but Marvel's attempt to protect the rights to Captain Marvel name.

It's a mixture of both.

[Ichijinijisanji]

You are clearly missing both the tongue-in-cheek sarcasm as well as the actual message.

Hmm yes...

But this does bring up an interesting point... carol's feminism for things like equality in the workplace is a weak ideology to make an ideology around, however it does present her with more personal obstacles and grounded stories like her trying to pursue her dreams despite her dad's disapproval and soldiering on, and excelling in the air force despite institutional sexism, struggling with sexual abuse, gaslighting, things like that.

Although the fundamental ideology can be not letting approval or lack there of guide you or discourage you, try to take it all in and see what's useful criticism, about internalizing things.

[Digifiend]

i don't think her being called Captain Marvel has anything to do with feminism but Marvel's attempt to protect the rights to Captain Marvel name.

Yeah. Same reason Kamala Khan was given the Ms. Marvel name a couple of years later. The nature of her powers means that Ms. Fantastic would've been the obvious name (she stretches, like Reed Richards) - her fangirling Carol was written in to explain why she chose to be called Ms. Marvel, but the real life reason is just to maintain the trademark.

[Ichijinijisanji]

idk if she streches, she's not exactly bulletproof, it's more like she grows different parts and has a somewhat flexible body

[Digifiend]

I think DC's Metamorpho is the only one with that powerset who can stop a bullet (and even he isn't technically bulletproof - he can turn himself into gas causing the bullet to just pass through). Reed, Kamala, DC's Plastic Man and Elongated Man, and lesser Marvel heroes Flatman (Great Lakes Avengers) and 2-D (from the Liberteens/Fantastix), none of them are bullet proof, they all have stretching powers. But I never said Kamala WAS bullet proof.

Anyway, here's some art from Ironheart and New Warriors artist Luciano Vecchio. Captain Marvel, Green Lantern, as they'd appear in Amalgam Comics!

[Ichijinijisanji]

I think DC's Metamorpho is the only one with that powerset who can stop a bullet (and even he isn't technically bulletproof - he can turn himself into gas causing the bullet to just pass through). Reed, Kamala, DC's Plastic Man and Elongated Man, and lesser Marvel heroes Flatman (Great Lakes Avengers) and 2-D (from the Liberteens/Fantastix), none of them are bullet proof, they all have stretching powers. But I never said Kamala WAS bullet proof.

Anyway, here's some art from Ironheart and New Warriors artist Luciano Vecchio. Captain Marvel, Green Lantern, as they'd appear in Amalgam Comics!

idk about the lesser known heroes, but all the ones you listed prior are bulletproof.
ill just note reed richards

[ComeOnBunny]

To me Carol Danvers represents being the best you can be in spite of adversity. I respect the hell out of the character because it would have been easy for her to give up and stay retired, and if Wanda never showed her she was The Best of The Best as Captain Marvel during House of M she probably would have but the point is she didn't. Despite being betrayed by her friends that allowed her to be kidnapped and raped by Immortus. Having her powers, emotions, memories, and Identity stolen by Rogue, and betrayed by her friends again when they allowed Rogue to join their team. Losing her new powers she gained and becoming a alcoholic, and being kicked out of Avengers. She rose above all of that. Sure she made mistakes like beating the hell out of Julia Carpenter in front of her daughter during Civil War, and that whole Civil War II nonsense but people make mistakes it happens.

[Geraldofrivia]

Who is Carol's arch nemesis?

[Digifiend]

She doesn't really have one. Several villains can make a claim. Mystique in the early days, as she's the one who commanded Rogue to steal her powers. In Dark Reign, it was Moonstone, who was Norman Osborn's Dark Ms. Marvel. But neither have fought her for years.

[ComeOnBunny]

Who is Carol's arch nemesis?

Most popular villianess in her rogues Gallery were Mystique, Moonstone, and Deathbird.