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    Default Why isn't the Flash treated as a Threat to the timeline and multiverse ?

    I mean given his role in Flashpoint one has to wonder: Why isn't the Flash treated more like a threat to the timeline and/or Multiverse ?


    I mean they make Harley QUinn a threat to the timeline and/or Multiverse, but not the Flash. So why is that ?

    Oh and on the Harley Quinn thing, well take a look at this : https://www.cbr.com/harley-quinn-big...-anti-monitor/

    As fans of the character: What do you think of this ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cmbmool View Post
    I mean given his role in Flashpoint one has to wonder: Why isn't the Flash treated more like a threat to the timeline and/or Multiverse ?


    I mean they make Harley QUinn a threat to the timeline and/or Multiverse, but not the Flash. So why is that ?

    As fans of the character: What do you think of this ?
    The same reason why DC pretends that Harley has 'reformed' and is an 'anti-hero' despite her not really becoming a better person. And the same reason why Wolfman tried to justify Slade and pretend he did nothing wrong. Writers tend to ignore the flaws of their favorite characters and warp the story to justify their failings/crimes. Also, marketability. Flash becomes harder to market if he's a threat to the timeline/ Multiverse, Harley is easier to market if writers use the 'LOL Randumb card' and Slade is easier to market if you play him as a 'killer with a code'(despite his total lack of morality).

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    These are two completely unrelated things.

    That's not Harley Quinn, it's Harli-Quinnitor of Earth-32. Earth-32 is inhabited by amalgamations of DC characters, such as Super-Martian (Superman and Martian Manhunter) and Starborg (Starfire and Cyborg). The gag of Harli-Quinnitor is that they're an amalgamation of one of DC's most powerful villains (Anti-Monitor) and a low-power comedic villain (Harley Quinn).

    The Flash accidentally changed the timeline in an attempt to correct it. Since then he's sworn off attempting such a thing again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    These are two completely unrelated things.

    That's not Harley Quinn, it's Harli-Quinnitor of Earth-32. Earth-32 is inhabited by amalgamations of DC characters, such as Super-Martian (Superman and Martian Manhunter) and Starborg (Starfire and Cyborg). The gag of Harli-Quinnitor is that they're an amalgamation of one of DC's most powerful villains (Anti-Monitor) and a low-power comedic villain (Harley Quinn).

    The Flash accidentally changed the timeline in an attempt to correct it. Since then he's sworn off attempting such a thing again.
    I didn't even know that there WAS a Harli-Quinnitor.

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    Where's Rip Hunter or Booster Gold when you need them ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Where's Rip Hunter or Booster Gold when you need them ?
    Thanks to Tom King and Dan Didio Booster Gold is more of a miserable joke than an actual hero time traveling hero.

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    Why are people always beating up on Barry when he wasn't the one that broke the timeline in the first place? The most immediate time-breaker was Eobard Thawne--Barry was trying to repair the damage he had done. It's the arbitrary laws of the Speed Force and the bad intentions of the writers that Eobard gets away with it and Barry is blamed for all the mess. But even before Flashpoint there was the Time Trapper in his many forms. There was Parallax and Extant on the one side and the heroes on the other side, both with their own timeline agendas. There was Imperiex and Queen Hippolyta and Krona and Superboy Prime. And there was the Crisis on Infinite Earths. And before that Kamandi vs Tommy Tomorrow. And before that Johnny Thunder of Earth-One. Where's the justice for Barry--when everyone and his evil twin from another timeline has already screwed up the timeline many times over?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    Why are people always beating up on Barry when he wasn't the one that broke the timeline in the first place? The most immediate time-breaker was Eobard Thawne--Barry was trying to repair the damage he had done. It's the arbitrary laws of the Speed Force and the bad intentions of the writers that Eobard gets away with it and Barry is blamed for all the mess. But even before Flashpoint there was the Time Trapper in his many forms. There was Parallax and Extant on the one side and the heroes on the other side, both with their own timeline agendas. There was Imperiex and Queen Hippolyta and Krona and Superboy Prime. And there was the Crisis on Infinite Earths. And before that Kamandi vs Tommy Tomorrow. And before that Johnny Thunder of Earth-One. Where's the justice for Barry--when everyone and his evil twin from another timeline has already screwed up the timeline many times over?
    I'm just saying that whether or not its Barry or Thawne: ALL Speedster theme heroes and villains should be a threat to the overall timeline and/or Multiverse no matter how much you tend to travel between worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cmbmool View Post
    I'm just saying that whether or not its Barry or Thawne: ALL Speedster theme heroes and villains should be a threat to the overall timeline and/or Multiverse no matter how much you tend to travel between worlds.
    Why would the heroes be a threat? They're heroes!

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    Will people just let the new 52 hate go already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cmbmool View Post
    I mean given his role in Flashpoint one has to wonder: Why isn't the Flash treated more like a threat to the timeline and/or Multiverse ?

    As fans of the character: What do you think of this ?
    Well, two things.

    1. Barry's a hero. His intentions, by default, are almost always noble. He's not generally considered a threat because of that. He's not likely to break the timestream in half just because he didn't have his coffee that morning. He's made mistakes, and his actions have had serious consequences, but those have still "just" been mistakes. In the DCU, morality and intention matter a lot more than the end results (at least most of the time), so heroes get a free pass for screwing up even if it costs lives.

    2. All that said, yes there should be more accountability (from within the heroic community if nowhere else). Even setting Flashpoint aside, because that wasn't really on Barry, we've got stuff like Superman sending millions of people into the Phantom Zone for a year because an experiment went wrong. Batman's responsible for the entire earth being swallowed by the dark multiverse (everyone's lived on a copy since Metal) as well as breaking the friggin Source Wall. Barry and Wally destroyed the 25th century during Flash War, broke the speed force away from its position in the cosmic hierarchy, and broke open a barrier keeping some of those forbidden energies contained. Hal succeeded in destroying all of space and time (only to have history unfold in largely the same way it originally had but he still destroyed everything) in Zero Hour. And yeah, these guys operate on a level that is so crazy and ridiculous, stuff like this really is the lesser evil, the best possible outcome, or whatever. But yeah, these guys get away with a whole lot more than they rightfully should. Even Jason Todd gets to hang out in the Batcave, despite being a mass murderer who has done far worse than some of Bruce's biggest recurring villains. Why? Because they're heroes, and that justifies a lot of crappy behavior, apparently.

    Really, the heroes are often responsible for more damage than the villains could ever hope to achieve. But, its DC and the morality of the world is black and white. Heroes get away with it. Villains don't. Because the heroes, even when they f**k up so royally they destroy worlds, have good intentions.
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    Because Barry Allen is a heroic individual and a trusted member of the Justice League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Well, two things.

    1. Barry's a hero. His intentions, by default, are almost always noble. He's not generally considered a threat because of that. He's not likely to break the timestream in half just because he didn't have his coffee that morning. He's made mistakes, and his actions have had serious consequences, but those have still "just" been mistakes. In the DCU, morality and intention matter a lot more than the end results (at least most of the time), so heroes get a free pass for screwing up even if it costs lives.

    2. All that said, yes there should be more accountability (from within the heroic community if nowhere else). Even setting Flashpoint aside, because that wasn't really on Barry, we've got stuff like Superman sending millions of people into the Phantom Zone for a year because an experiment went wrong. Batman's responsible for the entire earth being swallowed by the dark multiverse (everyone's lived on a copy since Metal) as well as breaking the friggin Source Wall. Barry and Wally destroyed the 25th century during Flash War, broke the speed force away from its position in the cosmic hierarchy, and broke open a barrier keeping some of those forbidden energies contained. Hal succeeded in destroying all of space and time (only to have history unfold in largely the same way it originally had but he still destroyed everything) in Zero Hour. And yeah, these guys operate on a level that is so crazy and ridiculous, stuff like this really is the lesser evil, the best possible outcome, or whatever. But yeah, these guys get away with a whole lot more than they rightfully should. Even Jason Todd gets to hang out in the Batcave, despite being a mass murderer who has done far worse than some of Bruce's biggest recurring villains. Why? Because they're heroes, and that justifies a lot of crappy behavior, apparently.

    Really, the heroes are often responsible for more damage than the villains could ever hope to achieve. But, its DC and the morality of the world is black and white. Heroes get away with it. Villains don't. Because the heroes, even when they f**k up so royally they destroy worlds, have good intentions.
    I can think of several situations where a villain did everything wrong and got a free pass too, so to say that only heroes get away with doing bad things in DC comics is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king81992 View Post
    I can think of several situations where a villain did everything wrong and got a free pass too, so to say that only heroes get away with doing bad things in DC comics is wrong.
    Oh for real, it happens. I mean, look at Harls. She still has active warrants out for her arrest in several states, but the heroes are like "it's cool, whatevs." But Batman will chase random Mugger McMuggerson across twenty city blocks just because dude stole a purse.

    Same for Jason Todd. That lunatic was a legit villain when he returned from the dead. Did he ever pay for the damage he did back then? Far as I know all that happened is he said "Bats, my bad, I'll try not to kill so many people now" and he's back in the Wayne inheritance. Mugger McMuggerson meanwhile, has three broken ribs, two missing teeth, and a fractured tibia because he made Batman chase him across twenty city blocks.

    And Bendis shared a panel from an upcoming Superman, where there's a Justice League party celebrating Superman's coming out as Clark, and friggin Deathstroke is hanging out, making small talk with J'onn, drink in hand. Friggin Deathstroke.

    But generally? A villain is wrong just because he's a villain. He might be sympathetic but he's still morally or ethically wrong because he's on the wrong team. Even if the hero has done virtually the same thing and walked away clean.

    There are some things in this genre you just gotta blind yourself to. Because if you look closely you'll realize none of it makes any sense. Hero-villain accountability is one of them. How many villains have been imprisoned for trying to blow up the earth? What did Bats and the League do? Blew up the earth. Are they in prison? No, they're still in charge. So heroes get away with sh*t because they're heroes, but villains get away with sh*t if they're popular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Where's Rip Hunter or Booster Gold when you need them ?
    Actually, booster roasted barry for flashpoint in a superman issue.

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