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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    Latest issue was rather weird, lol.
    It makes more sense if you've read the last Titans run, as the story is a sequel to it's last arc.

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    Karen Gillan wants to star in and direct the Batgirl movie:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
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    She is tooo old and commissioner Gordon is black soo

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    She really isn't too old - Babs was in her 30s before Flashpoint. New 52 retconned it so she became Batgirl at a younger age.

    And in pre-Flashpoint, Jim wasn't her Dad, he was her Uncle. If they go with the latter relationship there's no reason Babs needs to be black, they can keep her looks comic accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    She really isn't too old - Babs was in her 30s before Flashpoint. New 52 retconned it so she became Batgirl at a younger age.

    And in pre-Flashpoint, Jim wasn't her Dad, he was her Uncle. If they go with the latter relationship there's no reason Babs needs to be black, they can keep her looks comic accurate.
    She was adopted too so yeh I think she would be awesome as Batgirl!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    She really isn't too old - Babs was in her 30s before Flashpoint. New 52 retconned it so she became Batgirl at a younger age.

    And in pre-Flashpoint, Jim wasn't her Dad, he was her Uncle. If they go with the latter relationship there's no reason Babs needs to be black, they can keep her looks comic accurate.
    They ain’t gonna miss their chance to have a black batgirl smmh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Karen Gillan wants to star in and direct the Batgirl movie:
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    God yes that would be PERFECT.

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    The new issue of BATGIRL was really fun. Castellucci continues to blaze a new trail here and it totally works. Love Batgirl vs Male Fantasy Writers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    It makes more sense if you've read the last Titans run, as the story is a sequel to it's last arc.

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    I'll be buying this one for sure. I love Oracle as she showed if you have a disability you aren't useless in superhero comic books. Although it is nice to have the original Batgirl back in action, a part of me will always be sad they "fixed" Babs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celgress View Post
    I'll be buying this one for sure. I love Oracle as she showed if you have a disability you aren't useless in superhero comic books. Although it is nice to have the original Batgirl back in action, a part of me will always be sad they "fixed" Babs.
    Agreed.

    While there are elements of "lose-lose situation" to the whole thing, I always prefer her as Oracle because - supporting player or not - at the end of day as Batgirl, she was (and is again) a second-string street-level hero that has been done with more unique hooks since (Orphan and Spoiler at minimum) - whereas as Oracle, her reach and influence was global.

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    I think giving Babs back the use of her legs was a defensible choice to make. It's not necessarily the "right" choice, but it would work from a narrative standpoint. I do think that the wheelchair served an important narrative role, in showing Babs's past so that TKJ could be kept away from the rest of the plot and narrative. In effect, firewalling off TKJ; which was something that Mairghread Scott understood. But the same goal can be accomplished without it, by the right writers and editors.

    The mistake that DC did was try to keep Babs's old history, while still putting her back in the Batgirl suit. It regressed her character, and caused her post-New 52 characterisation to veer all over the place. Much better would have been to craft out a new and separate identity, as was done with Dick Grayson as Nightwing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rac7d* View Post
    She is tooo old and commissioner Gordon is black soo
    She could easily pass for someone in their early 20's. Or they could go the Oracle route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjn View Post
    I think giving Babs back the use of her legs was a defensible choice to make. It's not necessarily the "right" choice, but it would work from a narrative standpoint. I do think that the wheelchair served an important narrative role, in showing Babs's past so that TKJ could be kept away from the rest of the plot and narrative. In effect, firewalling off TKJ; which was something that Mairghread Scott understood. But the same goal can be accomplished without it, by the right writers and editors.

    The mistake that DC did was try to keep Babs's old history, while still putting her back in the Batgirl suit. It regressed her character, and caused her post-New 52 characterisation to veer all over the place. Much better would have been to craft out a new and separate identity, as was done with Dick Grayson as Nightwing.
    It's defensible in the same way that making Dick Nightwing again after being Batman is defensible. What's really indefensible, as you point out so well, is deleting all her history - especially her relationships with Dinah, Helena, and above all, Steph and Cass.
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    They flat out deleted Helena, Steph, and Cass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by millernumber1 View Post
    It's defensible in the same way that making Dick Nightwing again after being Batman is defensible. What's really indefensible, as you point out so well, is deleting all her history - especially her relationships with Dinah, Helena, and above all, Steph and Cass.
    This is a fact about superhero comic books that bugs me to no end. While I can understand wanting a character returned to a more "classic" status quo, why or why do they have to (usually) factory reset everything? All the development said character went through goes straight out the window and is never alluded to again. Even Marvel who has a more straightforward continuity than DC is guilty of this (see Venom, Doc Ock, Dr. Doom & Sandman in recent years). It makes being emotionally invested in characters very difficult when anything can be rolled back with zero consequences at the drop of a hat.
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