Not only fans, apparently writers as well.
(There's a discussion thread in the DC Comics forum on it, "DC's real problem")
Not only fans, apparently writers as well.
(There's a discussion thread in the DC Comics forum on it, "DC's real problem")
«Speaking generally, it is because of the desire of the tragic poets for the marvellous that so varied and inconsistent an account of Medea has been given out» (Diodorus Siculus, The Library of History [4.56.1])
Yeah, I think it was linked here earlier, and I saw it on Discord as well. Bryan Q. Miller also responded to Mairgrhead Scott, indicating the problem isn't confined to the current title, but DC's editorial office has almost always treated the Batgirl title, writer, and fans poorly.
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Now I'm reminded of when Simone left and came back during the New 52...
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Even Tec has been pretty uneven since Tynion left it.
I wish I felt differently. That I felt that DC had Cass and all our other favorite characters' best interest at heart, and was interested in telling the best stories.
But it just doesn't seem to be supported by evidence.
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Well, we've had a few creative shifts in a short time so that's bound to happen. I think the only thorough-line between Tynion, Hill, and even Tomasi is re-using and revamping old plots or concepts.
I guess if it's any consolation, when you see how they're treating Nightwing, at least they're not exclusively doing it to the girls...
"Re-using old plots, villains, and concepts" is kind of just, you know, comics. After all, Hickman's X-Men is chock full of re-used or re-purposed devices right now, King's whole Batman run was a recontextualizing of tons of old comics ideas, even Snyder was basically using old ideas for most of his run, Metal is a re-use of a lot of Morrison's ideas...it's just the way things are.
And as a big fan of legacy characters like Cass, I have no problem with that.
I do have a problem with the company treats those ideas as secondary to some weird justification for antagonizing creative teams and fans on Batgirl.
As for Ric - yes, it's really stupid. I don't think that equal opportunity disrespect and antagonism is better, though...it'd be better to have equal respect.
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There's a bit of Cass history in today's article of Joseph Illidge reflecting on his time when he joined the Batbooks during NML:
When I came in, it was right at the beginning of No Man's Land, and No Man's Land was a ground-breaking kind of event. It broke a lot of rules; it took a lot of risks, Denny fought for it to be approved by the higher powers and, eventually, we had to start planning what the Batman Universe was going to look like after No Man's Land. And one of the things that we did within No Man's Land was the creation of Cassandra Cain, an Asian Batgirl.
And I can tell you that upper management was not keen on the idea of a Batgirl who was not white, and Denny fought for that because we all believed in it. So, he fought for Cassandra Cain to be Batgirl, and they did it. That's the thing, he was the person who fought for ground-breaking stories and groundbreaking ideas.
And behold I shall be a blight upon the land and everything I touch shall wither and die.
I was able to get a Batgirl sketch by Damion Scott recently and wanted to share with everyone. I was beyond ecstatic when I received the finished product!
batgirl by damion scott.jpg
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It was strange. I follow his page on Facebook and there was a post about him having some blank covers for Batman, Wolverine and others and offering to do a sketch on one. I messaged and asked about a Wolverine book because it looked amazing and he said he had sold out of those. He could do a Batman cover. I felt awkward, but gushed about how much I love Cass more than damn near anyone except maybe X-23 or Black Panther. I asked if I could get Cass on the cover and he came back a few hours later and said 'sure, in costume or not?'. I said I love her costume, but you are the master, I defer to you. It only took him a day or so. Super cool interactions, too!!
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