Cassandra Cain: Batgirl/Orphan Appreciation 2020

[kjn]

Completely not going to happen unless DC starts treating Batgirl like a title that matters, and not just a reason to antagonize fans.

Not only fans, apparently writers as well.

(There's a discussion thread in the DC Comics forum on it, "DC's real problem")

[millernumber1]

Not only fans, apparently writers as well.

(There's a discussion thread in the DC Comics forum on it, "DC's real problem")

Yeah, I think it was linked here earlier, and I saw it on Discord as well. Bryan Q. Miller also responded to Mairgrhead Scott, indicating the problem isn't confined to the current title, but DC's editorial office has almost always treated the Batgirl title, writer, and fans poorly.

[Frontier]

Now I'm reminded of when Simone left and came back during the New 52...

[millernumber1]

Now I'm reminded of when Simone left and came back during the New 52...

It's all of a piece. And we can go back to the constant writer changes, Dylan Horrock's narrative of working on War Games, and above all, the "Evil Cass" storyline.

At this point, I think it's crystal clear: DC treats Batgirl as a brand extremely poorly.

[Frontier]

It's all of a piece. And we can go back to the constant writer changes, Dylan Horrock's narrative of working on War Games, and above all, the "Evil Cass" storyline.

At this point, I think it's crystal clear: DC treats Batgirl as a brand extremely poorly.

I mean, at this point the only title it feels like DC treats well or is invested in of the brand is Batman and 'Tec.

[millernumber1]

I mean, at this point the only title it feels like DC treats well or is invested in of the brand is Batman and 'Tec.

Even Tec has been pretty uneven since Tynion left it.

I wish I felt differently. That I felt that DC had Cass and all our other favorite characters' best interest at heart, and was interested in telling the best stories.

But it just doesn't seem to be supported by evidence.

[Frontier]

Even Tec has been pretty uneven since Tynion left it.

I wish I felt differently. That I felt that DC had Cass and all our other favorite characters' best interest at heart, and was interested in telling the best stories.

But it just doesn't seem to be supported by evidence.

Well, we've had a few creative shifts in a short time so that's bound to happen. I think the only thorough-line between Tynion, Hill, and even Tomasi is re-using and revamping old plots or concepts.

I guess if it's any consolation, when you see how they're treating Nightwing, at least they're not exclusively doing it to the girls...

[The Cool Thatguy]

Well, we've had a few creative shifts in a short time so that's bound to happen. I think the only thorough-line between Tynion, Hill, and even Tomasi is re-using and revamping old plots or concepts.

I guess if it's any consolation, when you see how they're treating Nightwing, at least they're not exclusively doing it to the girls...

Yeah, the Bat offices simply cannot allow Nightwing to be his own hero with his own rogues. For whatever reason, him leaving Batman's shadow and standing as an equal is bad juju

[millernumber1]

Well, we've had a few creative shifts in a short time so that's bound to happen. I think the only thorough-line between Tynion, Hill, and even Tomasi is re-using and revamping old plots or concepts.

I guess if it's any consolation, when you see how they're treating Nightwing, at least they're not exclusively doing it to the girls...

"Re-using old plots, villains, and concepts" is kind of just, you know, comics. After all, Hickman's X-Men is chock full of re-used or re-purposed devices right now, King's whole Batman run was a recontextualizing of tons of old comics ideas, even Snyder was basically using old ideas for most of his run, Metal is a re-use of a lot of Morrison's ideas...it's just the way things are.

And as a big fan of legacy characters like Cass, I have no problem with that.

I do have a problem with the company treats those ideas as secondary to some weird justification for antagonizing creative teams and fans on Batgirl.

As for Ric - yes, it's really stupid. I don't think that equal opportunity disrespect and antagonism is better, though...it'd be better to have equal respect.

[Blight]

There's a bit of Cass history in today's article of Joseph Illidge reflecting on his time when he joined the Batbooks during NML:

When I came in, it was right at the beginning of No Man's Land, and No Man's Land was a ground-breaking kind of event. It broke a lot of rules; it took a lot of risks, Denny fought for it to be approved by the higher powers and, eventually, we had to start planning what the Batman Universe was going to look like after No Man's Land. And one of the things that we did within No Man's Land was the creation of Cassandra Cain, an Asian Batgirl.

And I can tell you that upper management was not keen on the idea of a Batgirl who was not white, and Denny fought for that because we all believed in it. So, he fought for Cassandra Cain to be Batgirl, and they did it. That's the thing, he was the person who fought for ground-breaking stories and groundbreaking ideas.

[Frontier]

There's a bit of Cass history in today's article of Joseph Illidge reflecting on his time when he joined the Batbooks during NML:

Thank you Denny O'Neil .

[omnipotentimpotent]

I was able to get a Batgirl sketch by Damion Scott recently and wanted to share with everyone. I was beyond ecstatic when I received the finished product!
batgirl by damion scott.jpg

[millernumber1]

I was able to get a Batgirl sketch by Damion Scott recently and wanted to share with everyone. I was beyond ecstatic when I received the finished product!
batgirl by damion scott.jpg

Oh, SUPER nice! Did you have any specific requests, or just "Cass as Batgirl"?

[omnipotentimpotent]

It was strange. I follow his page on Facebook and there was a post about him having some blank covers for Batman, Wolverine and others and offering to do a sketch on one. I messaged and asked about a Wolverine book because it looked amazing and he said he had sold out of those. He could do a Batman cover. I felt awkward, but gushed about how much I love Cass more than damn near anyone except maybe X-23 or Black Panther. I asked if I could get Cass on the cover and he came back a few hours later and said 'sure, in costume or not?'. I said I love her costume, but you are the master, I defer to you. It only took him a day or so. Super cool interactions, too!!

[millernumber1]

It was strange. I follow his page on Facebook and there was a post about him having some blank covers for Batman, Wolverine and others and offering to do a sketch on one. I messaged and asked about a Wolverine book because it looked amazing and he said he had sold out of those. He could do a Batman cover. I felt awkward, but gushed about how much I love Cass more than damn near anyone except maybe X-23 or Black Panther. I asked if I could get Cass on the cover and he came back a few hours later and said 'sure, in costume or not?'. I said I love her costume, but you are the master, I defer to you. It only took him a day or so. Super cool interactions, too!!

Wow, that's such a cool story! He seems like a very nice dude.