Cassandra Cain: Batgirl/Orphan Appreciation 2020

[millernumber1]

Sounds like a good get.

For someone who stopped their Cass trades after her Big 3 solos trades came out, where do I go?

Sadly, unless you want to hunt down singles or old trades, the best choice is either buy digital singles, or go for DCUniverse.

[WebLurker]

Sounds like a good get.

For someone who stopped their Cass trades after her Big 3 solos trades came out, where do I go?

Have been looking into this myself. Unfortunately, the character's solo series has never been collected in full. The old trades Batgirl/Robin: First Blood, Kicking Assassins and Destruction's Daughter will get you the rest of the issues that were collected in trade format and you can add the Redemption miniseries and Resurrection Machine crossover with Ghost to round things off. (The crossover events Bruce Wayne: Murderer?, Bruce Wayne: Fugitive, and War Games also include Batgirl issues as chapters in them, although the Murderer?/Fugitive ones should be in your three trades. With those three trades, you also have all the material that was originally collected in the trades Silent Running, A Knight Alone, Death Wish, and Fists of Fury.)

That still leaves a huge gap in the middle of the series that you'll have to find some other way to read, but it's the best we can do until DC decides to finish releasing it.

[millernumber1]

Have been looking into this myself. Unfortunately, the character's solo series has never been collected in full. The old trades Batgirl/Robin: First Blood, Kicking Assassins and Destruction's Daughter will get you the rest of the issues that were collected in trade format and you can add the Redemption miniseries and Resurrection Machine crossover with Ghost to round things off. (The crossover events Bruce Wayne: Murderer?, Bruce Wayne: Fugitive, and War Games also include Batgirl issues as chapters in them, although the Murderer?/Fugitive ones should be in your three trades. With those three trades, you also have all the material that was originally collected in the trades Silent Running, A Knight Alone, Death Wish, and Fists of Fury.)

That still leaves a huge gap in the middle of the series that you'll have to find some other way to read, but it's the best we can do until DC decides to finish releasing it.

There's also the old Batman and the Outsiders trades that have some solid Cass content. The War Games trades inexplicably leave a gap between Batgirl #53 and #55, an issue which actually has a lot to do with Steph's mindset going into War Games. It does, however, include a lovely little story of Cass as Batgirl and Steph as Robin published in Solo by Damion Scott.

[WebLurker]

There's also the old Batman and the Outsiders trades that have some solid Cass content. The War Games trades inexplicably leave a gap between Batgirl #53 and #55, an issue which actually has a lot to do with Steph's mindset going into War Games. It does, however, include a lovely little story of Cass as Batgirl and Steph as Robin published in Solo by Damion Scott.

Thanks. I'll have to look into that closer; looks like there have been several Outsider series.

[millernumber1]

Thanks. I'll have to look into that closer; looks like there have been several Outsider series.

It is the 2007 series

[Yvonmukluk]

Finally got my hands on Shadow Of The Batgirl, and I'm pleased to report it lives up to my expectations.

[Restingvoice]

Ooooh, the movie Cass was bad. I don't remember how to put spoilers so here's the link of the opinion of Cass fan who watched it

https://timothykaplans.tumblr.com/po...butchered-as-a

[Frontier]

Ooooh, the movie Cass was bad. I don't remember how to put spoilers so here's the link of the opinion of Cass fan who watched it

https://timothykaplans.tumblr.com/po...butchered-as-a

Yeah, this is about what I was expecting.

Heck, with all the praise the movie is getting, the one consistent criticism I've seen is their handling of Cassandra and how little she resembles the character in the comics. The only thing I've seen praised is the young actress playing her.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Yeah, this is about what I was expecting.

Heck, with all the praise the movie is getting, the one consistent criticism I've seen is their handling of Cassandra and how little she resembles the character in the comics. The only thing I've seen praised is the young actress playing her.

It just infuriates me how they could have used virtually any other character instead of Cass.

Or the fact that they could have used Cass' character, and chose not to.

And yeah, it was a choice. Cass has been nothing but bad ass since Day 1.

[Aahz]

Yeah, this is about what I was expecting.

Wasn't it pretty clear from the moment they revealed the first pictures of her that this character was Cassandra in name only?

[godisawesome]

Wasn't it pretty clear from the moment they revealed the first pictures of her that this character was Cassandra in name only?

Eh, the character could be dressed anyway, and as long as she was still the taciturn warrior with the unique perspective that comic Cass had, I’d be good.

But she ain’t, so I’m not.

This is a film with a John Wick series action choreographer, and Cassandra Cain. Yet those two facts have nothing to do with each other.

That’s a problem.

[Konja7]

It just infuriates me how they could have used virtually any other character instead of Cass.

Or the fact that they could have used Cass' character, and chose not to.

And yeah, it was a choice. Cass has been nothing but bad ass since Day 1.

The "problem" with Cassandra is that she has a very complex past, so Cassandra cannot be properly introduced without her becoming the center of the story.

However, Harley Quinn is the center of this film.

[The Cool Thatguy]

The "problem" with Cassandra is that she has a very complex past, so Cassandra cannot be properly introduced without her becoming the center of the story.

However, Harley Quinn is the center of this film.

No, the problem is that Harley Quinn is the center of this film

And don't defend it by saying 'She's the most popular'. The first X-Men movies should have made it clear by now that the most popular in one medium does not make them the most popular in another.

Iron Man should have taught us that as well, but hey.

[Konja7]

No, the problem is that Harley Quinn is the center of this film

And don't defend it by saying 'She's the most popular'. The first X-Men movies should have made it clear by now that the most popular in one medium does not make them the most popular in another.

Iron Man should have taught us that as well, but hey.

My point is that a character like Cassandra couldn't fit in the movie they wanted to create (with Harley Quinn in the center). I wasn't defending the film.

That said, this movie only exists because of Harley Quinn. They would not have done this otherwise, especially as they don't want to use Barbara yet. Then, she was always going to be the center.

[CPSparkles]

The worst thing about this BOP Cass is that it pretty much ruins or makes it more likely that Cass in this world doesn't go on to become Batgirl. If she does then it'll be Steph as Batgirl or any other street urchin as Batgirl.

This wasn't Cass. I get inclusion and diversity is necessary but so it accuracy and they just exploited Cass for the name recognition and diversity points