Cassandra Cain: Batgirl/Orphan Appreciation 2020

[Agent Z]

No, the problem is that Harley Quinn is the center of this film

And don't defend it by saying 'She's the most popular'. The first X-Men movies should have made it clear by now that the most popular in one medium does not make them the most popular in another.

Iron Man should have taught us that as well, but hey.

I wouldn't use the X-Men as an example as Wolverine is the most popular in both the comics and the movies.

I will say that the popularity of the character should not affect how they are written.

[CPSparkles]

No, the problem is that Harley Quinn is the center of this film

And don't defend it by saying 'She's the most popular'. The first X-Men movies should have made it clear by now that the most popular in one medium does not make them the most popular in another.

Iron Man should have taught us that as well, but hey.

Cass wasn't the centre unless you mean as the plot device to be saved.

X-men and Iron man are irrelivant in this since DC didn't set out to make this nor did have any hand in this. Dc wanted to make a movie with Harley Quinn and the star of the movie decided that she'd rather make an ensamble movie and she decided bthat she wanted BOP.

It's on Margot Robin not DC. DC wanted to make a movie with Harley and the star of the movie decided to bring Cass in. now could argue why Harley and not Cass but that's not what this is about.
Wolverine was and is the most popular x-man in every medium.

Iron man has nothing to do with this unless you mean taking a chance which I guess they are doing by making a Harley Quinn movie

[The Cool Thatguy]

Cass wasn't the centre unless you mean as the plot device to be saved.

X-men and Iron man are irrelivant in this since DC didn't set out to make this nor did have any hand in this. Dc wanted to make a movie with Harley Quinn and the star of the movie decided that she'd rather make an ensamble movie and she decided bthat she wanted BOP.

It's on Margot Robin not DC. DC wanted to make a movie with Harley and the star of the movie decided to bring Cass in. now could argue why Harley and not Cass but that's not what this is about.
Wolverine was and is the most popular x-man in every medium.

Iron man has nothing to do with this unless you mean taking a chance which I guess they are doing by making a Harley Quinn movie

I never said that Cass was the center, or should have been. Just that they shouldn't have included her in this story, and constructed this story with Harley at the center. Harper Row would have worked, and countless others

[Digifiend]

It seems that movie Cass is definitely in-name-only. CBR reckons she's a composite of single arc Harley Quinn character Amanda, and Jason Todd.
https://www.cbr.com/birds-of-prey-ch...assandra-cain/

[godisawesome]

She’s the most wasted opportunity in the film, and I think she might be the result of both BoP and the alternative Gotham Sirens script featuring the same stolen diamond plot point, and them replacing a lively and familiar Catwoman with a strictly utility character in their version of Cass.

[Agent Z]

Cass wasn't the centre unless you mean as the plot device to be saved.

X-men and Iron man are irrelivant in this since DC didn't set out to make this nor did have any hand in this. Dc wanted to make a movie with Harley Quinn and the star of the movie decided that she'd rather make an ensamble movie and she decided bthat she wanted BOP.

It's on Margot Robin not DC. DC wanted to make a movie with Harley and the star of the movie decided to bring Cass in. now could argue why Harley and not Cass but that's not what this is about.
Wolverine was and is the most popular x-man in every medium.

Iron man has nothing to do with this unless you mean taking a chance which I guess they are doing by making a Harley Quinn movie

You mean Warners Brothers, not DC.

[Frontier]

She’s the most wasted opportunity in the film, and I think she might be the result of both BoP and the alternative Gotham Sirens script featuring the same stolen diamond plot point, and them replacing a lively and familiar Catwoman with a strictly utility character in their version of Cass.

She probably could have been called Holly Robinson and it wouldn't have changed much.

[Vworp Vworp]

I don't see this as trashing Cass's name or ruining her character, simply because it isn't Cass. Yes, using her name is daft and utterly pointless, but this Cass is so far removed from 'our' Cass, it pretty much negates anything they do with her.

For me, for a character to be genuinely ruined, they would have to be similar enough to actually be recognisable as that character. It's then that a few significant changes can have a much bigger impact. Like most of the Black Canary's in Arrow for example, all of whom were Black Canary in name only and all of who were inferior fighters to Oliver and for the most part, and were just there to get killed on a semi regular basis. Ironically, BOPATFEOOHQ's version of Dinah is arguably further removed from her comic book roots than any of the Arrow Canaries.. and yet she instantly felt more 'authentic' to me than any of them ever did.

[millernumber1]

I don't see this as trashing Cass's name or ruining her character, simply because it isn't Cass. Yes, using her name is daft and utterly pointless, but this Cass is so far removed from 'our' Cass, it pretty much negates anything they do with her.

For me, to genuinely ruining a character, they have to be similar enough to actually be recognisable as that character. Like most of the Black Canary's in Arrow for example, all of whom were Black Canary in name only and all of who were inferior fighters to Oliver and for the most part, and were just there to get killed on a semi regular basis. Ironically, BOPATFEOOHQ's version of Dinah is arguably further removed from her comic book roots than any of the Arrow Canaries.. and yet she instantly felt more 'authentic' to me than any of them ever did.

I would agree that the film doesn't ruin her character - but it does color the view of at least hundreds of thousands of people who first experience it this way. Now, you could argue that because the movie is tanking, it's not going to do as much damage as it could to the perception of her character - but that's a very sad statement in general.

I would actually argue that the Canary in Birds of Prey is a lot more comics accurate than the Arrow ones. And I surprisingly liked her a lot.

[Digifiend]

A good review for Shadow of the Batgirl. They gave it full marks!
https://www.newsarama.com/48975-best...e-batgirl.html

[Digifiend]

This was in all of this week's DC books:

[GaryFisher]

Today's BOP issue. What the heck. The real Cassandra ‘Nobody Dies Tonight’ Cain wouldn't allow such a bloody massacre happen right before her. That's completely OOC.

[Frontier]

Today's BOP issue. What the heck. The real Cassandra ‘Nobody Dies Tonight’ Cain wouldn't allow such a bloody massacre happen right before her. That's completely OOC.

It's the Amanda Conner one, right...?

[Dthirds3]

I'm still trying to understand how harly knows Cassandra

[millernumber1]

I'm still trying to understand how harly knows Cassandra

From Joker's Last Laugh, of course