Natasha Romanov: Black Widow Appreciation 2020

[Winterboy]

Oooh, I do love Sean McKeever.

I'm really enjoying the reading.

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[millernumber1]

I'm really enjoying the reading.

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Oh, I remember this story now. I liked a lot of it, but the whole thing? Hmmm.

[Matternativ]

Heads up: Nat ist gonna show up in next week's Hawkeye Freefall in case anyone is interested.

[Winterboy]

I am interested!

Thanks, Matt.

[Matternativ]

I am interested!

Thanks, Matt.

*Fingerguns*

[Frontier]

The more writers who have her calling Bucky "Bucky" the more confused I get as to whether she has her memories back or not.

On the plus side, I think Otto Schmidt draws the current design 10x better then everybody else does.

[Winterboy]

Black Widow in old Marvel Knights series by Eduardo Barreto.

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[Winterboy]

On the plus side, I think Otto Schmidt draws the current design 10x better then everybody else does.

Couldn't agree more!

[justanotherclassic]

The more writers who have her calling Bucky "Bucky" the more confused I get as to whether she has her memories back or not.

On the plus side, I think Otto Schmidt draws the current design 10x better then everybody else does.

Natasha calling Bucky "Bucky" and not "James" has such a vibe of wrongness to it.

But Otto Schmidt's work is amazing and I love it. He does a great Natasha.

[tliscord]

The more writers who have her calling Bucky "Bucky" the more confused I get as to whether she has her memories back or not.

On the plus side, I think Otto Schmidt draws the current design 10x better then everybody else does.

Since when would Natasha say “my thing with Bucky”! To Clint, or to anyone. They’re losing me. The more I reference back to Liu’s short arc, the more I’m disinclined to keep up with her current character. Lost her gravitas for initially more violence, then this which I’m not sure how to describe. Whatever recent good takes I feel are continually undermined by her steady decline as evidence by this nonsense. Throw stuff at the canvas and see what sticks.

As far as this art, not doing anything more for me than recent stuff.

What a shame.

[tliscord]

Here’s the thing for me, I don’t know if this resonates with any of you folks, but we haven’t seen a “Deconnick/Carol Danvers” writer yet for Nat. I thought Edmonds’ run ok with Noto but not game changing, I was terrifically excited about Waid and Samnee but thought that didn’t rise to the level I imagined that team capable of, and last three arcs including TOS, and her role in Spencer’s Secret Empire “nightmare” was plain awful. Honestly I feel like the last writer who had any notion of her was Brubaker and that wasn’t even a Black Widow series. This character is definitely in limbo right now .... and any of us who truly enjoy her are just desperate for just about anything. It’s heart breaking. Please convince me there is some good out of all this hodgepodge, because I’m just not seeing it.

[millernumber1]

Here’s the thing for me, I don’t know if this resonates with any of you folks, but we haven’t seen a “Deconnick/Carol Danvers” writer yet for Nat. I thought Edmonds’ run ok with Noto but not game changing, I was terrifically excited about Waid and Samnee but thought that didn’t rise to the level I imagined that team capable of, and last three arcs including TOS, and her role in Spencer’s Secret Empire “nightmare” was plain awful. Honestly I feel like the last writer who had any notion of her was Brubaker and that wasn’t even a Black Widow series. This character is definitely in limbo right now .... and any of us who truly enjoy her are just desperate for just about anything. It’s heart breaking. Please convince me there is some good out of all this hodgepodge, because I’m just not seeing it.

Closest there is for me is Liu. Brubaker did a lot of fun stuff with her, but she was clearly a supporting character for him, and he broke her badly on his way out of Marvel.

That being said, I think Thompson is a great choice, and I hope for some solid stuff.

[tliscord]

Closest there is for me is Liu. Brubaker did a lot of fun stuff with her, but she was clearly a supporting character for him, and he broke her badly on his way out of Marvel.

That being said, I think Thompson is a great choice, and I hope for some solid stuff.

Yes, and looking at some of Warren Ellis’ work on Secret Avengers I thought he had her down, that art wasn’t too bad either. Agreed Brubaker had her as a supporting character even in the Winter Soldier series but he created such a rich and interesting history for her and her relationship with Bucky and the Red room. Plus we got some great team ups with Falcon and Sharon( loved those!).

Now it’s just not sticking for me. I’m hopeful that Thompson can come through, but I also think it’ll take a commitment from editorial as well and to assigning consistent top quality artists. I’m not optimistic Aaron will do much with her in his Avengers, and Coates is ignoring her in Cap, where we’ve hardly seen anything from Bucky too.

I’m pumped for the up coming movie, and will continue to follow her in the comics but boy does it feel like a long drought we’re in right now.

[millernumber1]

Yes, and looking at some of Warren Ellis’ work on Secret Avengers I thought he had her down, that art wasn’t too bad either. Agreed Brubaker had her as a supporting character even in the Winter Soldier series but he created such a rich and interesting history for her and her relationship with Bucky and the Red room. Plus we got some great team ups with Falcon and Sharon( loved those!).

Now it’s just not sticking for me. I’m hopeful that Thompson can come through, but I also think it’ll take a commitment from editorial as well and to assigning consistent top quality artists. I’m not optimistic Aaron will do much with her in his Avengers, and Coates is ignoring her in Cap, where we’ve hardly seen anything from Bucky too.

I’m pumped for the up coming movie, and will continue to follow her in the comics but boy does it feel like a long drought we’re in right now.

I love Ellis's Nat solo issue in Secret Avengers. However, she's mostly an ensemble character in that run. There's are several writers who I think "get" Nat - I'd say Grayson and Rucka would fit there - but other than Liu, I don't think any have really gotten a solo treatment that wasn't explicitly a miniseries. (Fraction's use of Widow in Iron Man is another standout for me.)

[tliscord]

I love Ellis's Nat solo issue in Secret Avengers. However, she's mostly an ensemble character in that run. There's are several writers who I think "get" Nat - I'd say Grayson and Rucka would fit there - but other than Liu, I don't think any have really gotten a solo treatment that wasn't explicitly a miniseries. (Fraction's use of Widow in Iron Man is another standout for me.)

Appreciate you putting up with my rant here. Thanks! Yeah, what a mess Brubaker left at the end of his run on Winter Soldier. Wondering if there was pressure, or plan to explode James and Nat’s relationship going forward. It was god awful tease what Waid wrote.

I liked Grayson’s stuff, quite enjoyable. Just finished the Marvel Knights thing, and it was passable, I first fell in love with the character in Daredevil, the move to San Francisco, and Conway’ intriguing Danny French/ Damon Dran arc. Put her front and center of Daredvils own mag. That was radical. Of course Gene Colan’s art and portrayal of her was crazy good ... so too was Everett’s.

Looking back her Avengers run with Bob Harris and Epting wasn’t as revolutionary as Stern’s portrayal of Wasp as leader, but at least it established her as an integral piece of the team ... and a leader. After Onslaught stuff liked how they wrote her burdened with guilt as the lone survivor. Poignant moments to be sure.

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