Magnus Family Appreciation 2020

[Lucyinthesky]

Yes it´s a nice way to introduce Blade,vampires and witches the MCU usually uses the more easy explanation so the darkhold serves the purpose of explaining characters without having to complicate their story.

I don´t think they will tackle all the story of Nights of Wundagore,Bova will probably be fully human if that´s the case but it´s easy to talk about the Darkhold and then link it´s story to Wanda and to other characters who use magic in the MCU.

[Ferro]

https://thedirect.com/article/disney...chcraft-origin

yeah the issue where she meets natalya it's over wanda will never be a mutant again, good riddance.
Wandavision will finally put this silly conection to bed

[Steel Inquisitor]

https://thedirect.com/article/disney...chcraft-origin

yeah the issue where she meets natalya it's over wanda will never be a mutant again, good riddance.
Wandavision will finally put this silly conection to bed

Being a mutant and having magic isn't mutually exclusive. She had magic origins before she got retconned out of being a mutant in 616.

[juan678]

https://twitter.com/LukasWerneck/sta...24013459845120

[Outburstz]

Being a mutant and having magic isn't mutually exclusive. She had magic origins before she got retconned out of being a mutant in 616.

They are not going to convolute the story like that in the MCU, cause that would beg the question which of her powers come from magic and which is her mutant powers. They will stick to her solo run where she says all her powers were from witchcraft

[Ferro]

Being a mutant and having magic isn't mutually exclusive. She had magic origins before she got retconned out of being a mutant in 616.

But they have settled in that specific origin it seems, one that's way more simple and focuses on wanda solely while tying her to dr strange and his corner of marvel, not some overcomplicated mess to set future movies that aren't even on an official schedule OR in pre production.

and its beyond likely this is the final nail in the idea that wanda and pietro should be mutants ever again.

[MaximoffTrash]

Being a mutant and having magic isn't mutually exclusive. She had magic origins before she got retconned out of being a mutant in 616.

Technically yes, but it would be convulted for MCU to try to introduce two of her power systems in a single show.
If I have to choose one, magic it is for WandaVision.

[Ferro]

Technically yes, but it would be convulted for MCU to try to introduce two of her power systems in a single show.
If I have to choose one, magic it is for WandaVision.

and theres the BTS scenes with agnes/agatha in a witches costume

[Steel Inquisitor]

But they have settled in that specific origin it seems, one that's way more simple and focuses on wanda solely while tying her to dr strange and his corner of marvel, not some overcomplicated mess to set future movies that aren't even on an official schedule OR in pre production.

and its beyond likely this is the final nail in the idea that wanda and pietro should be mutants ever again.

We don't know what they're doing in that show, and we don't know what mutants will manifest like in the MCU. They're not going to do both at the same time, so this will go first if they choose to do both. Tying her to Dr. Strange makes it very easy for her to gain her magic by simply being taught, it doesn't shut off her being a mutant. She could simply learn she can do magic in the show. Fiege is also working on a large scale plan on the tv side as we speak, this was he talked about the various tv shows. Marvel won't just sit on their hands on mutants in the MCU, they've been working on how to break that behind the scenes for months. They're not going to reveal anything until they're ready - which could be years in the making. Bringing in the X-men to the MCU would be a game changer, and you can bet they'll be doing tv shows as well as movies.

It's nothing of the sort, what the movies do aren't the final word on the comics. They're separate media.

Agatha is a witch in the comics, she teaches Wanda magic first. Maybe that's where they're going before she meets Dr. Strange.

[Ferro]

We don't know what they're doing in that show, and we don't know what mutants will manifest like in the MCU. They're not going to do both at the same time, so this will go first if they choose to do both. Tying her to Dr. Strange makes it very easy for her to gain her magic by simply being taught, it doesn't shut off her being a mutant. She could simply learn she can do magic in the show. Fiege is also working on a large scale plan on the tv side as we speak, this was he talked about the various tv shows. Marvel won't just sit on their hands on mutants in the MCU, they've been working on how to break that behind the scenes for months. They're not going to reveal anything until they're ready - which could be years in the making. Bringing in the X-men to the MCU would be a game changer, and you can bet they'll be doing tv shows as well as movies.

It's nothing of the sort, what the movies do aren't the final word on the comics. They're separate media.

Agatha is a witch in the comics, she teaches Wanda magic first. Maybe that's where they're going before she meets Dr. Strange.

so you agree it will take years of planning for the x-men and it won't be just "done" or revealed at random buuuuut also you believe that they will introduce mutants with wanda? it's not clicking.

And comics and mcu are distinct yes, but when the character isn't being used at all compared to her movie conterpart, it makes sense to assume they will follow the mcu.

[Steel Inquisitor]

so you agree it will take years of planning for the x-men and it won't be just "done" or revealed at random buuuuut also you believe that they will introduce mutants with wanda? it's not clicking.

And comics and mcu are distinct yes, but when the character isn't being used at all compared to her movie conterpart, it makes sense to assume they will follow the mcu.

That wasn't what I said. They will take years with X-men, and only then will we know if Wanda is a mutant and I doubt they'll be going into that in the tv show. It's heavy implied to just explore magic, what with her being in Dr. Strange and a cast member being a literal witch from the comics.

Do you know the biggest influence Singer's X-men had on the comics? They wore black leather, that's it. Movies can influence comics but it's not universal and it's far from being permanent, Spider-man lost his organic webbing in 616. Wanda's just got started in the MCU, we don't know much f anything about what they'll do with her being a magician or mutant. This is her first project as a major character. The MCU also grows, it doesn't stay static.

They could have done more for Wanda from the MCU in the comics for years, they didn't - instead they made her a plot device and barely relevant in Avengers.

[Ferro]

That wasn't what I said. They will take years with X-men, and only then will we know if Wanda is a mutant and I doubt they'll be going into that in the tv show. It's heavy implied to just explore magic, what with her being in Dr. Strange and a cast member being a literal witch from the comics.

Do you know the biggest influence Singer's X-men had on the comics? They wore black leather, that's it. Movies can influence comics but it's not universal and it's far from being permanent, Spider-man lost his organic webbing in 616. Wanda's just got started in the MCU, we don't know much f anything about what they'll do with her being a magician or mutant. This is her first project as a major character. The MCU also grows, it doesn't stay static.

They could have done more for Wanda from the MCU in the comics for years, they didn't - instead they made her a plot device and barely relevant in Avengers.

so you agree wandavision won't make her a mutant, and considering olsen's contract is finite you can't safely predict that she will even be present when the x-men come, so it cements a non mutant wanda with an origin in witchcraft in the public eye, wich that + time will finaly cement the retcon.

and no amount of ewing "liking" wanda will change that OR the A-Office having all the power and no reasons to make her a mutant once more.

[Steel Inquisitor]

so you agree wandavision won't make her a mutant, and considering olsen's contract is finite you can't safely predict that she will even be present when the x-men come, so it cements a non mutant wanda with an origin in witchcraft in the public eye, wich that + time will finaly cement the retcon.

Yeah, but that's not all I said. Olsen could be there for years more, nothing is set in stone all we know is what they're doing right now. Nobody can predict things like that and she doesn't have to be in the X-men movies or tv shows to be made into a mutant. The possibilities come from mutants being a thing in the MCU, and that box isn't open at the moment. Her origin being a witch doesn't close the book on her being a mutant, as I explained. WandaVision is about her having magic, not about being a mutant. Wanda wasn't "retconned" into not being a mutant in the MCU, because mutants weren't available during Age of Ultron - and those origins might be retconned in the show. The tv show won't cement anything in the comics, read all of what I'm saying not parts of it that you like to hear. Keep in mind the MCU is getting weirder and weirder each year, as well.

and no amount of ewing "liking" wanda will change that OR the A-Office having all the power and no reasons to make her a mutant once more.

Ewing hasn't got that power in SWORD, the Avengers office does. Hickman might in the X-books. That's why Franklin is no longer a mutant in Fantastic Four, that's Slott's jurisdiction. The last part is up in the air, nothing lasts forever in comics. History doesn't end now, it continues. Everything is canon until it isn't, the second an Avengers writer wants her to be a mutant she will be.

Continuity in comics isn't an easy yes or no answer, it constantly changes.

[Ferro]

Yeah, but that's not all I said. Olsen could be there for years more, nothing is set in stone all we know is what they're doing right now. Nobody can predict things like that and she doesn't have to be in the X-men movies or tv shows to be made into a mutant. The possibilities come from mutants being a thing in the MCU, and that box isn't open at the moment. Her origin being a witch doesn't close the book on her being a mutant, as I explained. WandaVision is about her having magic, not about being a mutant. Wanda wasn't "retconned" into not being a mutant in the MCU, because mutants weren't available during Age of Ultron - and those origins might be retconned in the show. The tv show won't cement anything in the comics, read all of what I'm saying not parts of it that you like to hear. Keep in mind the MCU is getting weirder and weirder each year, as well.



Ewing hasn't got that power in SWORD, the Avengers office does. Hickman might in the X-books. That's why Franklin is no longer a mutant in Fantastic Four, that's Slott's jurisdiction. The last part is up in the air, nothing lasts forever in comics. History doesn't end now, it continues. Everything is canon until it isn't, the second an Avengers writer wants her to be a mutant she will be.

Continuity in comics isn't an easy yes or no answer, it constantly changes.

no avengers writer at the moment wants to use her , period.

The show will give the final push to at least secure the seperation of the twins from anything X-Related for at least another 5 Years, then it's even less likely to be re-retconed back wich is all I want

[Steel Inquisitor]

no avengers writer at the moment wants to use her , period.

The show will give the final push to at least secure the seperation of the twins from anything X-Related for at least another 5 Years, then it's even less likely to be re-retconed back wich is all I want

"At the moment," your taking this as if it will be the status quo forever.

Nothing said here disputes why I said. There's more going on here than what you want, this is about what Marvel wants. "Final push," the show doesn't have anything with the comics. The show isn't doing anything of the sort, it has nothing to do with mutants.