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    Quote Originally Posted by People Of The Earth View Post
    Hmm, I Don't think that's the case at all.
    When Erik say that his methods have Evolved, he meant it in a tactical sense imo: "Instead of crushing you in a blazing display of brute force and violence, I will asphyxiate you slowly, steadily, silently behind closed doors. You won't see me coming."
    His goals are the same: mutant dominance over the rest of Humanity, the outcome too with total Victory being sought, only the execution differs.
    And it's also smart in a sense that it goes Under the radar from organizations that are dedicated to subdue "blazing display of brute force and violence" like the Avengers, the Champions or the Fantastic Four - they Don't fight on those territories, nations do.
    Magneto joining hands with Charles to build a society where his ideologies coexist with Charles's IS an evolution for him. The acceptance that his path may not be the only right way.

    And really, his "machinations" just involve the marginalized and oppressed taking back power from their perpetrators in a non-violent way so that the latter can no longer hurt the former. The only people he explicitly mentioned cutting out from power structures were the hateful bigots who needed to be neutered, influence wise, for the welfare and betterment of his people. That's a FAR more sophisticated and nuanced approach than just "the only difference is he isn't violent now".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Warren View Post
    While Hickman and co. are telling stories in a fictional universe, some readers react to these stories as though they're somehow meant to be about actual problem solving and criticize them as such, as though there is the possibility of consequences that spread past the page.

    It doesn't matter whether the new approach that Xavier and mutantkind as a whole are taking at the moment is right or wrong or whether it's immoral or unfair to humans or whether another approach would be more productive in the long run. Because we're talking about imaginary people in an imaginary universe. There are no consequences to what characters do other than what the writers and editors decide. So no one has have to have any angst or hand-wringing over mutantkind's new way of dealing with humans or the establishment of Krakoa resulting in "newly born mutants potentially being attacked and killed." Because, you know, this is not real.

    These comics aren't meant to be blueprints or guidelines to be implemented in the real world. They're stories and stories are about generating drama and conflict. So the methods that the characters are using don't have to be proven to work. They don't have to be free of mistakes. In fact, it's to the benefit of the story that they have the potential to backfire or to have their short-comings exposed in time.

    If this new approach mutants are taking has the potential to acerbate tensions with humans within this fictional world, that isn't a problem with the storytelling - it's actually kind of the point. And if some humans react badly or violently to mutants establishing their own nation, that's the point. Fiction isn't about creating a smooth road for the characters, it's about making it as bumpy and obstacle-laden as possible. It's not about bringing characters together in harmony - it's about creating friction.

    Mutants are very arrogant at the moment. They're really feeling the strength of their unity. Will this cockiness end up biting them? Are they only going to be creating new enemies that are even more determined to bring them down than their old ones? Oh, most definitely. But that, again, is the point.

    Writing X-Men stories, on the surface, may look to be about seeking a world in which both mutants and humans can co-exist - but what they're really about from the angle of the creators is constantly finding new ways to show why that harmonious balance is always just out of reach.
    Slow clap! I completely agree.

    Also a comic creator a few years ago, and I forget which creator said it, was being asked what they thought of how one of their creations was being used in a movie. He said something like, "You know, 90% of all criticism comes down to 'It's not the way I would do it' so I don't really care. If people like it then good for them."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Warren View Post
    While Hickman and co. are telling stories in a fictional universe, some readers react to these stories as though they're somehow meant to be about actual problem solving and criticize them as such, as though there is the possibility of consequences that spread past the page.

    It doesn't matter whether the new approach that Xavier and mutantkind as a whole are taking at the moment is right or wrong or whether it's immoral or unfair to humans or whether another approach would be more productive in the long run. Because we're talking about imaginary people in an imaginary universe. There are no consequences to what characters do other than what the writers and editors decide. So no one has have to have any angst or hand-wringing over mutantkind's new way of dealing with humans or the establishment of Krakoa resulting in "newly born mutants potentially being attacked and killed." Because, you know, this is not real.

    These comics aren't meant to be blueprints or guidelines to be implemented in the real world. They're stories and stories are about generating drama and conflict. So the methods that the characters are using don't have to be proven to work. They don't have to be free of mistakes. In fact, it's to the benefit of the story that they have the potential to backfire or to have their short-comings exposed in time.

    If this new approach mutants are taking has the potential to acerbate tensions with humans within this fictional world, that isn't a problem with the storytelling - it's actually kind of the point. And if some humans react badly or violently to mutants establishing their own nation, that's the point. Fiction isn't about creating a smooth road for the characters, it's about making it as bumpy and obstacle-laden as possible. It's not about bringing characters together in harmony - it's about creating friction.

    Mutants are very arrogant at the moment. They're really feeling the strength of their unity. Will this cockiness end up biting them? Are they only going to be creating new enemies that are even more determined to bring them down than their old ones? Oh, most definitely. But that, again, is the point.

    Writing X-Men stories, on the surface, may look to be about seeking a world in which both mutants and humans can co-exist - but what they're really about from the angle of the creators is constantly finding new ways to show why that harmonious balance is always just out of reach.
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