X-Men #4 - Global Economics *SPOILERS*

[Killerbee911]

The mutants, no… they aren't supposed to be better or worse than the 'humans', the X-gene is not about a better morality… but the X-men were supposed to have some ethics (heroes and all…)

Why? They suppose to be "better" and uphold some rules that only make them lose and people die. Ethics when people are being hurt badly is a myth. You guys would literally okay the the Holocaust today. "We can't do anything because you have obey laws and we can't go into their country. Heroes don't break laws. You need congress and the UN to approve helping people. Heck million Muslims are sitting in camps in China but hey you know Heroes have ethics so those people have to wait around die and live miserable lives. Running to "ethics" in these complex topics is wrong. Understanding how the world is responding to situation in the best manner that save people through whatever method is the best way to be "a hero". Yes that means adapting the tactics of success and using it against your enemies.

[Knives]

The mutants, no… they aren't supposed to be better or worse than the 'humans', the X-gene is not about a better morality… but the X-men were supposed to have some ethics (heroes and all…)

And how ethical and Xavier's dream prevented the death of thousands of mutants or the destruction of the school? Genosha? Utopia? Sentinels? Operation Zero Tolerance? Purifiers? Have any of these conflicts or villains been avoided without a fight or deaths ?

The X-men are heroes but Krakoa is a nation and every nation is big than individuals. And no nation survives wars without dirtying hands.

[Domino_Dare-Doll]

Manipulated them how? An entire section of this issue was how genuine Xavier is and transparent abt his objectives and methods he is.

But therein lies the question; considering the ret-con fo Moira being a mutant and how everything they'd ever done was part of a larger plan, how genuine is anything Xavier has ever said in the past or will say in the future?

For example; Xavier indulged in such a massive mourning spiel upon Moira's 'death', which we now know there was no need for. He knew she was still perfectly alive, so why the pretence if not for the manipulation of those around him?

[Sutekh]

Here's a weird thought: are Homo Novissima a bad thing?

The interesting thing, to me, is that Novissima/transhuman modifications / adaptations are just as viable for mutants, as for humans. *Forge,* with his bionic arm arm and leg, is as much, 'plus' as a human with bionic limbs would be, yet retains his mutant abilities, as well. Whatever a Novissima could do with enhancements, would be that much more dangerous applied to, say, Domino, or Cyclops.

Heck, Wolverine is the ultimate example. A regenerating mutant, Novissima'd up with a metal skeleton and claws...

[Domino_Dare-Doll]

Why? They suppose to be "better" and uphold some rules that only make them lose and people die. Ethics when people are being hurt badly is a myth. You guys would literally okay the the Holocaust today. "We can't do anything because you have obey laws and we can't go into their country. Heroes don't break laws. You need congress and the UN to approve helping people. Heck million Muslims are sitting in camps in China but hey you know Heroes have ethics so those people have to wait around die and live miserable lives. Running to "ethics" in these complex topics is wrong. Understanding how the world is responding to situation in the best manner that save people through whatever method is the best way to be "a hero". Yes that means adapting the tactics of success and using it against your enemies.

I think you've misunderstood what the poster was trying to say.

They weren't actually saying that the X-Gene means that mutants need to uphold 'better standards' than those who've attacked them but rather that, originally, it wasn't as clear cut an argument. As in: there were extremists on both side--anyone could use their positions of power for good or ill and trap innocents in the line of fire.

For example:

US Government holds a position of power--they react to Magneto--thus all mutants are caught in the cross-hairs.

Conversely

Magneto holds a position of power over the brotherhood--he reacts to humans attacks--thus all humans are caught in the cross-hairs.

Such indiscriminate hatred from both sides caused escalation in the problems without actually solving it.

Therefore: Ethics when people are being hurt badly is not a myth--it's about going after those responsible. Like, regarding the China situation; I'm not going to go and crack a Chinese shop-keeper's head against the floor. That does nothing; he's got nothing to do with what's happening to the muslims in those camps. I'd have to go after a prison-guard, a politician, ect, but even then that doesn't actually fight the issue, it just takes out one person.

[terrancejameson]

But therein lies the question; considering the ret-con fo Moira being a mutant and how everything they'd ever done was part of a larger plan, how genuine is anything Xavier has ever said in the past or will say in the future?

For example; Xavier indulged in such a massive mourning spiel upon Moira's 'death', which we now know there was no need for. He knew she was still perfectly alive, so why the pretence if not for the manipulation of those around him?

Not only that, Krakoa is NOT for all mutants. Precogs are not allowed because their powers will potentially expose the lie. Xavier, Magneto and Moira are expert manipulators.

[BroHomo]

Not only that, Krakoa is NOT for all mutants. Precogs are not allowed because their powers will potentially expose the lie. Xavier, Magneto and Moira are expert manipulators.

The exclusion of a couple precogs is worth the rest of Mutantdom being able to live their best lives.
#sorrynotsorry
They can take their chances living among Flatscans If they're good at precogging they'll be able to see an attack coming

[pkingdom]

And how ethical and Xavier's dream prevented the death of thousands of mutants or the destruction of the school? Genosha? Utopia? Sentinels? Operation Zero Tolerance? Purifiers? Have any of these conflicts or villains been avoided without a fight or deaths ?

The X-men are heroes but Krakoa is a nation and every nation is big than individuals. And no nation survives wars without dirtying hands.

A nation acting in its own self-interests is fine and all, but when you factor in the whole 'we are the future and will replace you' schtick things change a bit. And its hard to factor in any of the destruction that has happened to mutants like Genosha, Utopia, and the Sentinals because Moira told Xavier about all of it and they both allowed it to happen in order to create the circumstances to create Krakoa. Its not that all that happened and proved Xavier's dream wrong. He never seriously believed in his supposed 'dream'.

[Domino_Dare-Doll]

The exclusion of a couple precogs is worth the rest of Mutantdom being able to live their best lives.
#sorrynotsorry
They can take their chances living among Flatscans If they're good at precogging they'll be able to see an attack coming

That's a horrible, hateful stance and I'm not here for it.

[jwatson]

The exclusion of a couple precogs is worth the rest of Mutantdom being able to live their best lives.
#sorrynotsorry
They can take their chances living among Flatscans If they're good at precogging they'll be able to see an attack coming

This actually made me laugh out loud. I heard it being said mad chill and my mind was like. "Reasonable." Lol.

[The Quiet Councilor]

The exclusion of a couple precogs is worth the rest of Mutantdom being able to live their best lives.
#sorrynotsorry
They can take their chances living among Flatscans If they're good at precogging they'll be able to see an attack coming

We all know Mama D is coming back in a big way, and **** is gonna get real uncomfortable on Krakoa.

[pkingdom]

We all know Mama D is coming back in a big way, and **** is gonna get real uncomfortable on Krakoa.

The second they try to get sneaky with bringing Destiny back (like bringing her back with mental blocks or brainwashed or anything), or refuse to bring her back at all, Mystique is going to burn the entire island to the ground in an hour.

[The Quiet Councilor]

The second they try to get sneaky with bringing Destiny back (like bringing her back with mental blocks or brainwashed or anything), or refuse to bring her back at all, Mystique is going to burn the entire island to the ground in an hour.

No doubt Mystique is gonna torch some things before it’s all said and done. I’m honestly hoping she gets the ladies of the Council on her side to force them to bring back Destiny or explain why they won’t. I want all that drama, and I’m ready for the ladies to let the old white men know their authority isn’t absolute.

[loke13]

The exclusion of a couple precogs is worth the rest of Mutantdom being able to live their best lives.
#sorrynotsorry
They can take their chances living among Flatscans If they're good at precogging they'll be able to see an attack coming

Uh yikes this is a bad take

[Vegan Daddy]

The exclusion of a couple precogs is worth the rest of Mutantdom being able to live their best lives.
#sorrynotsorry
They can take their chances living among Flatscans If they're good at precogging they'll be able to see an attack coming

I would agree with this if Destiny wasn’t a precog. They’re keeping one of the baddest bitches on ice.