Was Sabretooth scapegoated?

[AbnormallyNormal]

"The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons." - Fyodor Dostoyevsky

Yes this thread has to be made.

Ok what did Creed do? He killed some human GUARDS at a facility he, Mystique and Toad broke into to obtain much-needed information for the developing nation of Krakoa on how to combat its human adversaries. The only reason the nascent Mother Mold got destroyed was DUE TO CREED'S HELP. Also go back and review the actual panels in HoX1, Creed does not seem to be just wantonly murdering civilians or eating people etc. He kills GUARDS while Toad is downloading info, Raven gives him some **** over it but it doesn't sound particularly serious or anything, and Creed semi-heroically offers to be a living sacrifice vs the approaching F4 allowing his compatriots to escape. CREED ACTS AS A HERO HERE. He is performing his duties admirably as a member of Krakoa! Raven was only annoyed with him at all because he drew attention to them. Not some huge ethical scandal over the guards dying.

Fast forward to Creed's "Judgement". Who judges him? MR SINISTER? WTF. Apocalypse? MYSTIQUE HERSELF WHO JUST HAD NO REAL ISSUE WITH WHAT HE DID??? (not to mention if Hickman cared at all about continuity, Raven and Creed just got along very well in the recent Weapon X book lol, they were a buddy-buddy duo there and hilarious together, much how they got depicted in House of X 1)

It's laughable honestly.

Now I know many of you will say "how can you defend Creed he is evil etc etc etc" he wasn't being judged for any of the stuff you are thinking about like his past cannibalism rape and all that. That had nothing to do with it. So ignore it. We're ignoring the other characters histories after all in-universe.

Creed had demonstrated a capacity to work on teams with others ever since AXIS. Now he's thrown under the bus as though he is the SINGULAR evildoer of all Krakoa.

So I ask: why? What is the purpose of this? Is it to preempt what Hickman knew would come his way, accusations of "whitewashing" villainy? By setting this one example of an arbitrary ethical line for Krakoa that Creed fell on the wrong side of? (Not to even mention THAT LAW OF KILL NO HUMAN WAS CREATED AFTER CREED'S ACTIONS... retroactively punishing is good?)

You can't seriously think Creed is such a huge danger to everyone on Krakoa he has to be isolated for their safety. Look at everyone else on Krakoa who are FAR bigger dangers. SELENE, ... just where to even begin. So many. Plus Krakoa is full of powerhouses who can easily defend themselves against Creed who is , all things considered, not a terribly powerful mutant. So that isn't an excuse at all.

Is this a longer game where Moira or someone wants Creed for some reason hidden? Or what is really happening here?

Looking forward to responses, and thanks for reading!

#JusticeForSabretooth

[loke13]

Yes, but it's Sabertooth so who really cares about that rapist.

On a more serious note Creed killed a bunch of humans when he really didn't need to and this was after the amnesty had been put into effect and then went on to threaten the quiet Council with murder and the murder of their entire bloodline.

So yes the used Creed as an example of mutant Justice was it perfect? No. But what is?

[Wiccan]

It's not really a question. He was scapegoated, for sure. The thing is that people(both in-story and some fans) just don't give a **** because they hate him lol.

[Vegan Daddy]

Magneto told him not to kill. He killed people. He was punished.

[numberthirty]

Magneto told him not to kill. He killed people. He was punished.

Never mind that they hauled him out of "Human" custody to punish him back on Krakoa.

[JasmineW]

Yes, if course he was a scapegoat!
They needed to send a message to show that they have a punishment system and needed someone to be the first.

However, didn't Gorgon kill in X-Men 4?

[CoCoBandz]

Yes, if course he was a scapegoat!
They needed to send a message to show that they have a punishment system and needed someone to be the first.

However, didn't Gorgon kill in X-Men 4?

Gorgon did not.

He maimed, but didn't kill.

[Michael Watkins]

Yes, if course he was a scapegoat!
They needed to send a message to show that they have a punishment system and needed someone to be the first.

However, didn't Gorgon kill in X-Men 4?

he maimed people who had planned to kill the people he is protecting.

[numberthirty]

Gorgon did not.

He maimed, but didn't kill.

Shoot, he schooled them on why he wasn't going to kill them right there on the page.

[Anduinel]

Sabretooth was tested, to see how seriously he was going to take the business of amnesty, to see if he could be trusted to follow orders in the field, and to see if he'd be willing to forego the pleasure he gets out of violence for the benefit of mutants as a whole. And he faceplanted on all three counts.

As for the "trial", yeah, he was absolutely being set up as an example, both that Krakoa would take care of its own problems and as a warning to the other big bads on the council that Xavier wasn't going to be fucking around with the whole amnesty business. I'm not going to say it was all above board, because, so far as we know, Creed got an arbitrary punishment made up after he'd metaphorically flipped Chuck and Erik off. But he also demonstrated no remorse for his actions and indicated he'd do worse if he got a chance. So, yeah. Not bothered by how the problem was handled.

[Michael Watkins]

Shoot, he schooled them on why he wasn't going to kill them right there on the page.

definitely. but even then, their lives are pretty much over or (because it's comics) they will become the next line of Reavers. they need to amend this rule and just straight up execute their enemies. it's the responsible thing to do. the other people at the table openly support murdering their enemies.

[useridgoeshere]

Shoot, he schooled them on why he wasn't going to kill them right there on the page.

Yeah, I'm not sure everyone who comments reads the books.

If the poll had been a simple Yes/No/Not sure, I would've voted 'yes' because that was the whole point - the example it set. However, since there was the extra stuff in the question, I voted 'no', because it's the closest to the truth.

[The Quiet Councilor]

Sabertooth has had many chances under many circumstances. He knew what was at stake. Call it scapegoating or whatever you want but it was certainly warranted.

[Tycon]

Cypher did hint that there was a chance of leniency but Aabretooth screwed up the opportunity when he started threatening to kill everyone there. So there was still a chance at redemption up to the very end.

It's not really a question. He was scapegoated, for sure. The thing is that people(both in-story and some fans) just don't give a **** because they hate him lol.

Yeah, pretty much everyone on the Council didn’t give a **** about him.

[WildR]

I mean no offense but the question is meaningless at present, because I don't see X-Office trying to discuss it, at least in the coming months.
Unless somedays they decide to use him as a mutant villain hating Krakoa so much and trying to destroy the heaven, the question about whether X-CHARACTERS THINK the treatment is proper won't be brought up again.