I saw Dark Phoenix and Hellboy two comic book films do a mega flop in 2019. The SAME year Endgame and Captain Marvel did over a billion not even counting Spider-Man or Joker. How is a 4 over 2 win for comic book films a sign of fatigue? Also, the idea of bad movies being a sign of fatigue is kinda silly when people's opinions don't exactly make a fair measuring stick for the overall opinion on the genre.
Last edited by Maestro 216; 01-09-2020 at 04:40 PM.
So y'all are gonna just let Pinsir distract you from the fact he never backed up assertion about journalists? He's not arguing in good faith here.
While I think Scorsese was biased in his opinion due to his age and maybe didn't express himself in the best way, he's not 100% wrong. While I think comic book movies are cinema, I think that if he said that most of the films are not made to have in depth storylines, writing or demand much from their actors in terms of challenging performances he would be more agreeable. I think people like the MCU because of the culmination of all the films over a 10 year period which is an amazing accomplishment however oscar worthiness is not measured by a culmination of films but by each film on their own.
If you take away the universe aspect from the films and judge each film on it's own performance most will fall into the same area as western films and romantic comedies films when those types of films were popular.
It's hard to compare the mcu to most franchises because of how it functions but here's a try. Look at the Lord of the Rings trilogy, each film stands on its own extremely well. Most people can watch one film from it and see amazing performances of individuals who are trying to portray someone completely different from themselves. Additionally, each screenplay is very well done. The MCU films on the other hand have okay acting but they have mediocre to great actors. RDJ is a great actor but Iron Man was not his best role by any means, it was just his comeback role to show that he had sobered up and was reliable as an actor again. RDJ did not try to portray someone else other than what he was, he played himself, which didnt require a lot of effort. The screenplays aren't awful by any stretch (see GOT S8 for an awful screenplay) but they aren't complex, sometimes not cohesive and can come across like advertisements to sell merchandise at times and they have multiple plotholes.
If we're being honest about only a handful of comic book films have an overall good structure in place that could be argued to be have the items I stated earlier:
Dark Knight
Dark Knight Rises
Batman
Superman II
Joker
Logan
Black Panther (imo this one fell short but it can be argued as well)
Are comic book films enjoyable? YES!!!! 1 billion times YES!!! Are comic book movies oscar worthy? They can be but most have not been.
Joker was the best.
If a movie doesn’t have sex in it, it isn’t cinema?
Dafuq did I just read?
He was being sardonic when he said, "You clearly can't read the signs right. If a superhero movie does bad, then it's a sign of superhero fatigue is happening. If a superhero movie does well, it's a sign that superhero movies have peaked and that superhero fatigue is happening." He meant there are people who are going to keep claiming superhero movies are fading no matter what the evidence is.
Power with Girl is better.
Yeah, I was try8ng to point out the bad logic “superhero fatigue” claims have.
You do bring up a good point. We are now in the age when even the most die hard comic book/superhero fan will be choosy in what they watch. I have a signed copy of the first Hellboy trade and saw the GdT movies opening weekend. But I had no desire to see Hellboy, even on cable. Bad movies won’t get an audience in. For every successful reboot, two more fail because there are so many choices out there. Why waste tiime on something that doesn’t interest you? If it turns out to actually be good, you can always check it out later.
I agree being nominated for a Golden Globes isn't a great indicator if a film is cinema or not (or at least good cinema), but its a fairly decent base line.
I didn't say they had made that consensus, I said they will, if say that question was put forward to them. I could be wrong, sure, but its a conclusion inferred from reading and listening to critics.I just want to see where a majority of Journalists said that the MCU isnt cinema.
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Yup, that's what you read! Porn is the greatest cinema known to mankind apparently.
Arguments like that tend to happen when you play the game of making things mean whatever you want, regardless of their actual truth. The MCU IS cinema by any rational definition. Scorsese just tried to give his opinion more weight with a bogus argument. Much like "emotional conveyance needs sex to sell it".