Legion of Super-Heroes = Hickman's Avengers

[Riv86672]

Hahaha, thank you! Well, if you're gonna do something, might as well do it right!

^^^Heck yeah!

Also, you need to do more of these...

[9th.]

This never even crossed my mind but now I want it. Thanks OP I both love and hate you.

[Midnight_v]

This never even crossed my mind but now I want it. Thanks OP I both love and hate you.

It's funny I really wonder what its would have been like if he got the chance too do this.
That plus the Illuminati books/avengers world, but in dc.
Sounds like a big paradigm shift for dc

[CaptCleghorn]

It's funny I really wonder what its would have been like if he got the chance too do this.
That plus the Illuminati books/avengers world, but in dc.
Sounds like a big paradigm shift for dc

I'm not sure. How do Marvel's Illuminati differ from Batman and his behind the scenes prep? DC's obvious had other multi-versal threats and huge shifts in universes so the magnitude of the threats is there. And outside of Batman, there have been scenes with Kal, Diana, and Bruce discussing situations. The question then is would the Trinity go through with a plan if the rest of the JL didn't want to or though it was wrong?

[Sutekh]

I never even considered this, and now, regarding how Shang-Chi, in particular, sort of felt 'thrown on' to the team (and was mostly ignored), and there were all those Superman clones (like Hyperion, practically the poster-child for Marvel Superman clones), and Smasher = Ultra Boy, I can't not see him as the Avengers' 'Karate Kid.'

[Zero Hunter]

Legion was only available for Bendis because of Doomsday Clock's delays. It wasn't originally meant to come back until DDC ended, and had it finished a year earlier like it was meant to, then it seems there were other plans for them (that didn't involve Jon Kent - I wonder if it might have used Conner instead, since Young Justice wouldn't have been planned either before Bendis came to DC). That's why Saturn Girl was erased in DDC #11 - the plans for her had changed.

I think it is pretty much the opposite. When Bendis came in he was given control of the direction of DC which caused Johns and Frank to have to rework Doomsday Clock which caused the delays. Benids wanted everything to do with the Superman books and want Legion so he got it and Johns original plan was scrapped. The delays are all on Didio and Bendis.

[Superlad93]

All this Illuminati talk got me thinking about how there must be a Legion Parallel that Hickman's was loosely working off of. Then it hit me: The United Planets

It's strange, I know, but I'm actually quite confidant (or about as confident as someone who doesn't know him personally at all) that this is where Hickman's sensibilities would've lead him had he been given the Legion instead of Avengers. For one, all of the members of Hickman's Illuminati are either leaders of their nations, the embodiment of their nation's ideals, or leading experts in a field. They are basically a governing body that happen to have the trappings of a super team. We had Captain America, Captain Britain, and Prof X who are the embodiment of their nations ideals. He had Beast, Prof Hulk, Reed, and Tony who were leading minds in their respective fields. Then of course he had Black Bolt, Namor, and Black Panther who were actual leaders of their nations.

I fascinated by this idea because it seems to imply that if Hickman had access to to the concept of the UP and the heightened politics that come with it, he'd have a very interesting story to tell with it. You can tell Legion as a whole and 5 Years Later particularly were formative for him. In fact looking back at his Fantastic Four run he carved out time to deal with the politics of about a dozen Atlantean races looking to unify. That was a far more overt homage, but this one is still very much in that wheelhouse, I feel.

And, just for the hell of it, I'll list some more super overt parallels that I couldn't find a place for.

- When Smasher comes home to show her dad her and Sam's baby, she also goes into a sort of grove where a statue of her dead superhero grandpa is, ans she pays her respects. This is basically just the Legion memorial grove on Winath from 5 Years Later.

- Proxima Midnight has a lance that when thrown turns into "unavoidable toxic light beams" It's literally just Darkseid's Omega Effect. Not convinced? How about the fact that the Omega Effect/the Omega Sanction is called "the death that is life" and Proxima's lance was forged from a dying star and she describes it as life and death.

- Starbrand gets a blue suit to replace his read one further making him Hickman's Superboy.

- Time Runs Out is a time skip that disbands our team and leaves them in surprising places like 5 Years Later. That's also when Sunspot buys AIM and solidifies his Sun Boy parallels.