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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    And if Xavier's secret wish is to protect 'humans' to put all dangerous mutants in the island like in a zoo? After all, he has always trusted his X-men to be able to handle any kind of situation and now there is even this resurrection thing as a safety net…

    The 'humans' can only accept the mutants if they have nothing to fear from the mutants, it's already a difficult task even if the mutants that are the most trouble-makers aren't running wild…
    Putting all villains on a island doesn't look that safe. What if they overthrow him? that is a huge risk

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirit2011 View Post
    Putting all villains on a island doesn't look that safe. What if they overthrow him? that is a huge risk
    Who cares about safety when you can just make mpre mutants? 99% of mutants can be wiped out and it won't matter because they can just make more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebunse View Post
    Who cares about safety when you can just make mpre mutants? 99% of mutants can be wiped out and it won't matter because they can just make more.
    I was talking more about humans point of view

    But this cold substitution about mutants is awful too

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirit2011 View Post
    I was talking more about humans point of view

    But this cold substitution about mutants is awful too
    Yes, well, what I meant was that if there is a group of mutants who want to wipe out the humans, then there will likely be a civil war and lots of mutants will die, including probably a lot of the dangerous ones.

    Then you can just bring them back, but edit their memories to not include the revolution part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordUltimus View Post
    Hey, since Otherworld has a Krakoan puppet ruler, does this mean that Krakoa (or at least certain factions of it) are imperialist?
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    idk go make a thread about it.
    I know you're being snarky, but Apocalypse did invade the Otherworld and got Excalibur to assist him under false pretenses. Then installed a puppet king who has literally engaged in the slave trade. So yeah, part of Krakoa is imperialist. Based on solicits, this is going to cause a war with the UK.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebunse View Post
    I brought up earlier in this thread or another where I pointed out that it's sort of worrying that Krakoa has no reason for money on the island itself and someone asked why this would be a bad thing. And here's the reason, because now a bunch of mutants can't leave.

    Yes, they can find work off the island and travel between countries, but thanks to the heightened strain between mutants and humans, how many people would take that up?

    Krakoa is a gilded cage.
    That's a good point. The people on Krakoa don't have much need for money that we've seen, since all of their needs are provided for. We haven't seen anything like an internal economy or even things like stores and restaurants, which is really weird. But if anyone wants to interact with the outside world, they'll need money. They can get jobs and commute with the portals, I suppose. But the series can't seem to decide if average people ever leave or if they just get hatecrimed immediately.

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    Awww invading countries known for worldwide imperialism and slavery. I’m all for decolonization, but this way also works. Go Krakoa!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirit2011 View Post
    Putting all villains on a island doesn't look that safe. What if they overthrow him? that is a huge risk
    On Krakoa, the villains are respected citizens: it flatters their ego. It probably cannot completely crush their ambition and all this gathering must create an emulation.
    Well, on the island, they are in telepathic range of Xavier…
    "… something strong and soft and green,
    thrusting through the dead and petrified grayness."
    Alan Moore.

    If I offended you, be assured that it wasn't my intention. English is not my first language.

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    Then Xavier died and nothing changed and nobody challenged the regime so...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tycon View Post
    Then Xavier died and nothing changed and nobody challenged the regime so...
    Except it was a point in that issue itself that they needed to bring Xavier back and bring him back quickly. You'd be a fool to think all those strong, malevolent personalities surrounded by traumatized young mutants wouldn't seize the opportunity once the "weak" Xavier was gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metal Sphere View Post
    Except it was a point in that issue itself that they needed to bring Xavier back and bring him back quickly. You'd be a fool to think all those strong, malevolent personalities surrounded by traumatized young mutants wouldn't seize the opportunity once the "weak" Xavier was gone.
    They did say though it was because they didn't want the world to find out that he was killed and about the resurrections.
    Boop! Krakoa forever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbenito View Post
    They did say though it was because they didn't want the world to find out that he was killed and about the resurrections.
    And Magneto also said that this whole Krakoa thing is Xavier's idea, his dream. That if it's too continue he had to come back. There was a lot of importance hinged on Xavier being brought back, even beyond his utility has chief of the resurrection process. He's a symbol now, and the implication is that Krakoa as it currently exists will not last without him. Few others on the island have the type of cultural cache and pull as Xavier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metal Sphere View Post
    Except it was a point in that issue itself that they needed to bring Xavier back and bring him back quickly. You'd be a fool to think all those strong, malevolent personalities surrounded by traumatized young mutants wouldn't seize the opportunity once the "weak" Xavier was gone.
    They needed to bring Xavier back before the world recognized that mutants are immortal, not because of bad guys. Xavier was dead for days and chaotic villainous mutants never needed to prep in order to cause trouble. You still think that Krakoa is the same situation as years prior even though it’s been expressed in a very clear cut way that it isn’t. If the villains didn’t take the opportunity to take down Krakoa when the founder of the nation was assassinated and the country went into a lockdown, they aren’t doing it any other time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metal Sphere View Post
    And Magneto also said that this whole Krakoa thing is Xavier's idea, his dream. That if it's too continue he had to come back. There was a lot of importance hinged on Xavier being brought back, even beyond his utility has chief of the resurrection process. He's a symbol now, and the implication is that Krakoa as it currently exists will not last without him. Few others on the island have the type of cultural cache and pull as Xavier.
    You're not wrong, I was just mentioning the stated reason for the rush to bring him back. I'm sure some mutants were considering packing their bags as they looked over his lifeless body.
    Boop! Krakoa forever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tycon View Post
    They needed to bring Xavier back before the world recognized that mutants are immortal, not because of bad guys. Xavier was dead for days and chaotic villainous mutants never needed to prep in order to cause trouble. You still think that Krakoa is the same situation as years prior even though it’s been expressed in a very clear cut way that it isn’t. If the villains didn’t take the opportunity to take down Krakoa when the founder of the nation was assassinated and the country went into a lockdown, they aren’t doing it any other time.
    Oh for goodness' sake, you expected Krakoa to flip to an Apocalypse-led hell hole in one issue? That is completely against Hickman's approach. A protracted absence, or much more likely, repeated failures/weakness from Xavier in the eyes of the nastier elements of the council would be what leads them to act out of line. If there's one thing Krakoa isn't is stable. That's part the entertainment appeal here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metal Sphere View Post
    Oh for goodness' sake, you expected Krakoa to flip to an Apocalypse-led hell hole in one issue? That is completely against Hickman's approach. A protracted absence, or much more likely, repeated failures/weakness from Xavier in the eyes of the nastier elements of the council would be what leads them to act out of line. If there's one thing Krakoa isn't is stable.
    I’m not expecting it to upend in one issue. You’re presenting a notion that villains are just ready to usurp control and following that line of logic (inconsistent with what’s already been shown in HOXPOX), many of them would’ve done so when Krakoa was at its weakest with Xavier’s assassination. I didn’t expect anything to happen to Krakoa’s status. Krakoa’s gone on for one month and the one watching that would’ve destabilized them didn’t. How are they not stable?

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