You're right that at the time they made the law they were clear that they would have exceptions when situations would arise in the future. I may be mistaken in that I thought they were more clear about their intentions. 'Kill No Man because they are mortal and we are not' was my understanding, and I might be misremembering. But I didn't think they poke holes in it almost immediately. They've almost never jumped to lethal force for the racists and other groups who've attacked them. If all it took to justify killing people was 'they attacked us first and are trying to kill us' they could have gotten away with killing people by droves years ago. And making an exception for Lockheed like that is lame. "I didn't kill anyone, my pet attack dragon did! I can't be held accountable for him!" I know Logan and others have been willing to kill, but not everyone was OK with that. And Logan was often haunted by the number of people he had killed.
As does everything. Make my Logan X Nightcrawler crack ship come true Marvel.
No that's right; it was Jean's logic, actually.
Also, I wonder if an arc or a series exploring the morality of lethal force might not be relevant nowadays? If only for the idea of weighing up what it means for an apparently 'immortal' mutant to face down a human. I'd imagine it'd be a fitting series for Beast, actually, in that he might actually try to just figure out what the hell could possibly be going through his opponents head that triggers such hatred?
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Part of my problem with Krakoa and how they treat humans is the very simple fact that mutants terrorists and murderers and monsters are getting forgiveness and new jobs, but that same feeling cannot extend to human and nonmutant allies in general. Instead, again, it's just lumping big groups of people together.
And let's remember, we know about Moira, most of the other characters don't. We know that underneath Krakoa, like literally underneath, we have Moira. Krakoa is essentially built on a lie. At the moment, it's a very small lie, but it's built on Moira and her god complex and on Magneto and Charles thinking theybknow better. The whole thing seems meant to be a bit off.
We can all agree on this.
I don't know if thats really a bad thing though. Like no government in the world offers 100% percent transparency with its citizens. I think at a certain level of nation making compartmentalization of information is required. No one can spill all the secrets because no one knows 100% of the plan.
Now that's not to say that what the Big 3 are doing is right and I'm sure there's going to be a storyline coming up where those secrets are exposed and conflict arises because well this is a story you need to have drama. But I also think it's logical to keep that information to as small a group as possible.
If Krakoa is an established land/country.... they need a military.
How many mutants are actually living on there at this point? Do they even have enough for a proper military?
It's not that secrets are being kept, it's the kind of secrets. Moira's resurrections are one thing, but their ultimate plan for mutants seems to be some sort of super-databased mass of consciousness. That isn't something everyone might be up for
I’m liking the X-Men having more stuff to handle than just the mansion and the diplomacy that comes with it. The only thing I still am not a fan of is the sort of cold/military/sociopathic-esque attitudes coming from them, as justified as some fans may say their attitudes are. This isn’t to justify they aren’t allowed to feel that way after all the atrocities the previous writers wrote them through, this is looking at it from a personal entertainment/engagement standpoint even with that understanding.
“Strength is the lot of but a few privileged men; but austere perseverance, harsh and continuous, may be employed by the smallest of us and rarely fails of its purpose, for its silent power grows irresistibly greater with time.” Goethe
Agreed I like Scott and Logan always has good writting and it`s given the benefit of doubt always but I have a hard time seeing Storm, Jean and Kurt being cold and magneto talking about them being gods when he has really never talked that way, his pov of humans being afraid of mutants come from his experiences of the war and Magda`s fear of him, not his powers per se.
That`s why I would like to see more day to day interactions between the X-men in a normal setting, I can see Storm, Jean and Kurt acting tough and even cold on the Quiet Council because they are in front of Apocaypse, Sinister, Shaw, Mystique, Exodus, them being seen as soft would not help to their points being taken seriously on the Council, even Charles kind of tried to use the Sabretooth issue to show how tough he was about their new status quo, but we need to see them without that armor, see what Jean, Storm think about their fellow council members and what they are doing, see charles out of that cerebro helmet outside of an hostile context like the one of X-men 4 to see why he changed his views and I think it would be really fun to see Apocalypse clash on povs with both Magneto and Xavier, with Magneto finding himself on the really strange place of being the middle man between two opposites povs.
I want to see Magneto and Lorna having a day off, thinking about Genosha and what they can do to protect Krakoa in the event it happens again, etc.
I liked the idea of different, lest say, political ideologies being fought back and forth on the council, the actual status quo seems to be going in that direction and it would be a nice political thriller to see but first I would like to see some warn hearted moments between mutants so Krakoa feels like a real home and refuge for mutants imo.
Of course it all it`s built around Moira and her manipulations, Hickman did say HOX is like HOM in the sense that it SEEMS to be made to fail and burn after the ilusion is gone but the thing is that`s has been the X-men story of the past decade so I expect to see that fall but also seeing them healing after it in a way the decimation times never allowed them.
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"To the X-men then, who don´t die the old fashioned way and no matter how hard we try, none of us die forever" Uncanny X-Men #270, Jean and Ororo
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