the power that rogue took, wich by issue one if you were reading it properly, says mutant magic is a new power born from the clash of normal magic and a krakoan gate, hence a new POWER BORN FROM IT, there was nothing to be drained from outworld because the magic comes from the place in betwen, the dream place.
an conduit focuses power doesnt drain it and it was used for the creation of the gate that happened from outworld to krakoa, not the other way around.
reread it again please
Even if a woman doesn't have a uterus or can't get pregnant, just having to face the responsibility of having kids is bad enough.
And we're still in Krakoa's early stages. Things are still going good. Given the wording of the law and the fact that several high-ranking council members are known misogynists, if things get bad, I do expect more pressure on women to have babies.
I mean, let's be honest here, Moira needs more people for her plan and she honestly doesn't seem to like her fellow women all that much
i know it was already an ambigious law in the first place that have been clarified to not be as extreme and i gave you an example of a rule being changed hence creating a precedent. the only negative reaction towards it so far came from rogue, and its heavly attached to her as a person, there was no official govermental black mailing that had her scared, just remy's reaction.
now this doesnt mean the rule is to that extreme, there is this anoying tendency of twisting any development into a villainous territory , even when twisting what is on the page to fit that narrative and it anoys me
Again, it's still too early to tell, but I do think it's worth keeping in mind that a writer did sort of express this pressure and the rule itself is, well, worded the way it is.
And it doesn't help that, again, while the Silent Council has a heavy female presence, Apocalypse is a man who had a child with a teenage girl and other male members also don't have the best history when it comes to respecting women. And you have Moira.
So I think just brushing it off ignoring the larger picture.
Really we're back to this... The writer has expressly stated that this isn't the case. "Make more mutants" was a thematic rebuttal to "No more mutants". This wasn't society telling Rogue (or anyone else) she had to have babies. The latest Excalibur showed a relatively newly married woman making a personal choice and concerned with how her husband might take it. In fact the only person she was concerned about was her husband. That she was never concerned with approval or disapproval from anyone else is itself a condemnation of the argument that society is gonna force anything on her.
Literally everything you've said is an assumption without evidence or is directly refuted by evidence.Originally Posted by Hickman
Hickman directly stated this isn't the case and Rogue gives us a direct example of a character deciding she didn't want kids. No one is being forced to have kids. Its a "communal parent/child relationship", which is to say, exactly the same kind of relationship older X-Men have been forming with younger generations since Papa Claremont introduced the New Mutants.
Who? The only one who fits that bill is Shaw and he's easily countered by Frost, Storm, Jean, Nightcrawler, and Xavier. There are assholes, killers and power mongers on the council but thats it unless you are gonna go all the way back to mustache twirling silver age Magneto, and he hasn't been that character since Papa Claremont.
You're making all kids of predictions here and based off of what? Swarmed by killer robots? Have babies! Food Shortage? Have babies! Alien invasion? Have babies! Do you not see how ridiculous that notion is. The argument itself is illogical, having babies takes the women out of action for years at a time. If things get bad they won't have the time to gestate and raise children. Furthermore, we've already been shown whats more likely in the event of things going poorly. Not forcing unwanted pregnancies but Sinister and his cloned and fast grown Chimeras. Having and raising kids is and has always been a peace time occupation. Childbirth typically goes down in times of crisis not up.
What plan? The only plan we've seen from Moira was to unify the major mutant leaders and philosophies. No other plan of hers has been given, at all. You're assuming, without evidence, that she has some Machiavellian super secret plan that calls for mass numbers of mutants... but nothing of the sort has been shown or even hinted at in the comics to date.
Where has anything been shown on how Moira feels towards women? The only thing shown is that she fears precogs and Destiny (and maybe fire). There has been nothing about how she feels towards any other mutants or groups of mutants or women or men. There is literally no reason to have any assumptions on this
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Who does Moira surround herself with? Who does she manipulate? Men.
While in her journals and her interaction with Destiny, there is a much deeper dislike for her. Not that I think she likes men that much. She basically thinks Apocalypse is an idiot and Magneto and Xavier sre easy to control.
And again, we will see where Krakoa goes on this. Because again, we are in the early, easy stages. And it isn't just the theory about reproduction, but also all the other concerns many of us have expressed.
Krakoa just seems too perfect, yet there are so many, many things just waiting to explode. It's hard to pick just one.
Are we actually complaining about narrative tension now?
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