What do you like/dislike about Krakoa? (As a concept)

[jwatson]

Ok, but why do you feel like that? What about Krakoa gives you those good feelings; where and how do you see mutant self love and growth? (For the benefit of those who don't see it your way, I'd like to add)

Well it's only been a month for them so they are in the early stages but after years of being killed, after a super human registration act that forced them to hide their powers they are free to congregate and speak with each other and explore their powers and self without abandon. That makes me feel good, in a weird way almost jealous as in the real world my community isn't able to exhibit the same freedom without being judged or put down. It's nice to see them get to be their self without having to see that on a day to day basis their very existence is being turned into some sort of villainy. I like they can be in a place where they aren't judged more harshly than people who commit greater crimes just because they aren't what others consider the norm. I love for however long it lasts, which again it's still very new, they get to not only find pride in themselves but get to unabashedly revel in what sets them apart rather than be judged or persecuted for it by their own countries. It's sweet.

[phoenixzero23]

I was a bit tired of time travel and extinction stories, so this peaceful status feels a bit refreshing and unpredictable.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

That's an interesting view! Now how would you like to see this implemented and why?

Well, going back to the Sabertooth thing: Even the humans gave him a lawyer. He didn't even have that at his sentencing on Krakoa. If the council decides your guilty, you're guilty. Because "mutant justice is perfect." But what's just about having no representation? People've died fighting in wars for the right to be heard by Society, but Charles Xavier with his staggering 50 years of living has decided that this isn't necessary. No. Get lawyers. Draft a charter of rights. Let the people be heard.

[Domino_Dare-Doll]

Well it's only been a month for them so they are in the early stages but after years of being killed, after a super human registration act that forced them to hide their powers they are free to congregate and speak with each other and explore their powers and self without abandon. That makes me feel good, in a weird way almost jealous as in the real world my community isn't able to exhibit the same freedom without being judged or put down. It's nice to see them get to be their self without having to see that on a day to day thing being turned into some art of villainy in of itself. I like they can be in a place where they aren't judged more harshly than people who commit greater crimes just because they aren't what others consider the norm. I love for however long it lasts, which again it's still very new, they get to not only find pride in themselves but get to unabashedly revel in what sets them apart rather than be judged or persecuted for it by their own country. It's sweet.

So you're the type of reader who projects onto these plots, concepts and characters? (I am too! That's awesome!) And you'd consider it a power-fantasy of sorts? Is that fair to say?

[Domino_Dare-Doll]

I was a bit tired of time travel and extinction stories, so this peaceful status feels a bit refreshing and unpredictable.

That's very fair! So, might I ask, what about this makes you feel peaceful? Or, where do you see it, might be a better way of phrasing that?

[phoenixzero23]

They're these extremely privileged people who don't truly live amongst those they say they want to help, which is even worse now that no mutant seems to live, at all, amongst humans. Yet, they're buying up their media, saying they want to change attitudes from an institutional level...but why? They don't live there any more, what incentive do they have to care beyond economic gain? Are they still truly so empathetic?

It feels insular, it feels claustrophobic, it feels very anti-co-existence. It feels too much like giving the bigots what they want; the mutant 'problem' is officially solved as far as they're concerned and, yet, they're still dangerous because look at all the money they're making! It hasn't actually solved or helped anything. Mutants are still being viewed negatively.

This is very close to what I dislike about krakoa.

The other things is more Wolverine/Jean/Scott/Emma love shenaningans. It is so tiresome and played out, brings the worst on everybody.

[jwatson]

So you're the type of reader who projects onto these plots, concepts and characters? (I am too! That's awesome!) And you'd consider it a power-fantasy of sorts? Is that fair to say?

Not really, i think about it more abstract in the respect that it would be nice if people could really be in a place where everyone could just see them. But i wouldn't want to have to create a new home or leave my country which i love for it happen. I like that it can exist, even if it really doesn't. if that makes sense.

[Domino_Dare-Doll]

Well, going back to the Sabertooth thing: Even the humans gave him a lawyer. He didn't even have that at his sentencing on Krakoa. If the council decides your guilty, you're guilty. Because "mutant justice is perfect." But what's just about having no representation? People've died fighting in wars for the right to be heard by Society, but Charles Xavier with his staggering 50 years of living has decided that this isn't necessary. No. Get lawyers. Draft a charter of rights. Let the people be heard.

So you're frustrated that it feels a bit hypocritical, is probably fair to say? Do you think Charles should have been a bit more mindful of that, considering, as you've pointed out, what he's lived through?

[Mr.B]

Power fantasty isn't real.

[GodfatherIV]

I like the concept of Krakoa because of what it represents being a mutant homeland and all. I also like the Krakoan gates and the idea export and transport around the world. The implied idea that Krakoa is preventing something else from arising is big too. The deep dive ibto mutant lore and the idea of an alien type world really scratches the heavy scifi itch

[Domino_Dare-Doll]

This is very close to what I dislike about krakoa.
The other things is more Wolverine/Jean/Scott/Emma love shenaningans. It is so tiresome and playet out, brings the worst on everybody.

(Oh I'm totally with ya on the whole shipping thing. Let the romance die for a bit!!)

If you don't mind me asking (for the benefit of conversation and to help others see your point of view) what about these things in my quote frustrates you so? Or is it pretty much that?

[Domino_Dare-Doll]

I like the concept of Krakoa because of what it represents being a mutant homeland and all. I also like the Krakoan gates and the idea export and transport around the world. The implied idea that Krakoa is preventing something else from arising is big too. The deep dive ibto mutant lore and the idea of an alien type world really scratches the heavy scifi itch

That's interesting: may I ask for you to elaborate a bit on that? I'm rather intrigued! Why do you feel it's important for mutants to have a homeland?

[jwatson]

I like the concept of Krakoa because of what it represents being a mutant homeland and all. I also like the Krakoan gates and the idea export and transport around the world. The implied idea that Krakoa is preventing something else from arising is big too. The deep dive ibto mutant lore and the idea of an alien type world really scratches the heavy scifi itch

All this as well. I love the idea of what a group can become when they are allowed to be themselves and what they can contribute to each other and others without the weight of the hate and fear of others always looming around the corner. I like the idea they don't have to feel like victims of others prejudices when they just want to be strong.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

This is very close to what I dislike about krakoa.
The other things is more Wolverine/Jean/Scott/Emma love shenaningans. It is so tiresome and playet out, brings the worst on everybody.

Too much inneuendo and fan baiting. Just come out and say it if monogamy is out the window, there's no comics code to rap us on the knuckles. I HATE ambiguity. It always comes across as a writer being too precious.

[phoenixzero23]

That's very fair! So, might I ask, what about this makes you feel peaceful? Or, where do you see it, might be a better way of phrasing that?

Well, we don't hear how mutants are going to extinguish all the time (they will in the future) but for the moment the characters seem to enjoy some tranquility on their lifes, they have a pretty place to live and are a global superpower, they don't even fear death anymore. That would be boring but is the contrast after so many years of extinctions what makes it feel fresh