Catwoman Appreciation 2020

[FBarnhill]

Interesting.

[Electricmastro]

Detective Comics #122 (April, 1947), apparently the first cover to feature Catwoman. Art by Charles Paris.

[Osiris-Rex]

Wow, 7 years before Catwoman shows up on the cover of a Batman book.

[Electricmastro]

Wow, 7 years before Catwoman shows up on the cover of a Batman book.

Her cover appearances from the 1940s to the 1970s go like this:

Detective Comics #122 (April, 1947)

Batman #42 (August, 1947)

Batman #62 (December, 1950)

Batman #65 (June, 1951)

Batman #69 (February, 1952)

Detective Comics #203 (January, 1954)

Batman #84 (June, 1954)

Detective Comics #211 (September, 1954)

Superman's Girl Friend, Lois Lane #70 (November, 1966)

Batman #197 (December, 1967)

Batman #198 (January, 1968)

Batman #208 (January, 1969)

Batman #210 (March, 1969)

Wonder Woman #201 (July, 1972)

Wonder Woman #202 (September, 1972)

Batman #256 (May, 1974)

The Joker #1 (May, 1975)

Batman #266 (August, 1975)

Limited Collectors' Edition #C-37 (August, 1975)

Limited Collectors' Edition #C-45 (June, 1976)

The Joker #9 (September, 1976)

The Brave and the Bold #131 (December, 1976)

Batman #291 (September, 1977)

[FBarnhill]

Superman's Girl Friend, Lois Lane

Good luck having a title like that now. LOL

[Electricmastro]

Good luck having a title like that now. LOL

Speaking of which:

[FBarnhill]

It must’ve been fun to be a CB writer of the 60s. All the LSD is clearly shown in the pages.

[batnbreakfast]

It must’ve been fun to be a CB writer of the 60s. All the LSD is clearly shown in the pages.

Your life was probably an episode of Mad Men

[FBarnhill]

I’ve been thinking of I Dreamed A Dream recently and I couldn’t but wonder how perfect this seemed for Selina. I see her as this traumatized and broken woman who just wants to be special and survive in the worst city in American fiction and the lyrics reflect that mindset.

[The Whovian]

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[batnbreakfast]

Year One is far and away my favorite Batman story. It's the first realistic superhero story I ever read. That having been said, as time goes on, it gets harder and harder to keep in continuity. Everybody smokes indoors. Gordon smokes in a hospital! There's no way this took place after 1989 at the latest. The Selina thing doesn't bother me as much as it does everyone else. But DC has spent the better part of two decades trying to find some way to explain that away. Far more people read YO than whatever obscure issue of Catwoman they did to excuse it. The Hari Krishnas at the beginning don't even exist anymore! I'd love to have it still be in canon but let's not kid ourselves. It just doesn't work anymore.

Its part of our reality and she overcomes it. Its also done in a tasteful way. She doesn't appear weak and looks in control.

[FBarnhill]

Nope, still hate the prostitution backstory and am glad it got retconned. Frank Miller was a great writer back then but he still had his flaws back then, and having nearly every women a whore was one of them. Look, I’m not saying that we don’t understand any of this due to men not understanding how to write women, Brubaker is still the best writer for her, but women aren’t just objects to be sexualized. Our society is already screwed enough to have rape culture exist. Selina can be a survivor without sex being in the equation. She shouldn’t be defined by a man, like Miller having her being inspired by Batman to become a costumed thief.

[batnbreakfast]

Nope, still hate the prostitution backstory and am glad it got retconned. Frank Miller was a great writer back then but he still had his flaws back then, and having nearly every women a whore was one of them.

I wasn't aware of Miller's troubles/problems when I read YO for the 1st time. Judging YO on its own Selina is fine. Seeing it as part of Miller's whole work its troubling despite him inventing Ellen Yindel and Carrie Kelley(?).

Look, I’m not saying that we don’t understand any of this due to men not understanding how to write women, Brubaker is still the best writer for her,

No dispute here.

but women aren’t just objects to be sexualized. Our society is already screwed enough to have rape culture exist. Selina can be a survivor without sex being in the equation.

No, they aren't unless they want to and sometimes some of them do. Our society is screwed up but that's not a problem solved by superhero comics. Rape isn't a thing in YO. I don't know what you mean with rape culture.

Selina can be a survivor without sex being in the equation. She shouldn’t be defined by a man, like Miller having her being inspired by Batman to become a costumed thief.

Yes, this what I can understand. Her becoming her own thing because she chooses it is much better.

[FBarnhill]

I used rape culture to identify how society treats women under these circumstances, be it being victims of rape or having to be prostitutes.

[Restingvoice]

I reread Batman Year One recently and got a good laugh seeing Selina and Holly getting an ass shot of anti-rabies because Batman's bat swarm bit everyone in the vicinity. I forget about that part since it's just one panel.