I think one of the issues is that everyone has a different opinion of what is offensive.
I'm Italian, and gay. I find portrayals of gay people in cartoons very funny. Mr. Garrison and Mr. Slave ("Jesus Chriiist"), and the numerous gay jokes on Family Guy have always made me laugh. The same can be said for images of Italian guys with chest hair and sleeveless t-shirts, all in the mafia, saying "Hey-a howa you doin'?"
I understand, however, that others can be very offended by these depictions.
So what is the solution?
One can always not watch the shows, but I'm sure that a lot of people wouldn't find that to be a solution, as the depictions are still out there, being laughed at.
To Azaria's credit, even though the character was his bread and butter, he was pretty open to meeting with the comedian who made the documentary, Hari Kondabalu, meeting several times to talk about the issue. Likewise Kondabalu would come out of those talks complimenting Azaria as one of his comic heroes and a stand up guy who would really listen intently.
It's important to note that whatever online outrage on either side of that is, ultimately it's still a talk between two guys. And a continued exchange doesn't happen if it's just one side yelling at another. This was years in the making in part because what's at stake for Azaria isn't just (part of) a job, but a job that he loves and one that put him on the map. Azarianhad everything to gain by keeping Apu alive. The producers certainly have their incentive to do so. Yet he was willing to have a talk with a fan about how that character affected him and others like him.
Azaria could have easily defended the work -- he's certainly a top voice talent -- but he talked with an Indian man about an Indian portrayal. At the end of the day, it's about who you center in what you fight for, and Azaria paid attention to someone who was at that center, not speaking on his behalf. At the end of the day, the only ones who can talk about what is or isn't offensive are the people who are affected by that portrayal, positive or negative, and Azaria recognized that. After all, men can't/shouldn't tell women what's sexist against women, and tourists shouldn't tell foreign countries how to act.
Likewise, online beefs would have us think this is something petty or overly PC with the two of them too quick to anger, but from all indications even if the talks they had were probably difficult, it doesn't seem like it was dramatic, but rather a series of conversations between two adults that mean well. Neither of their goals come from a vacuum.
Last edited by Cyke; 01-20-2020 at 01:42 AM.
One of the points the Apu-documentary made was that, back in the day, Apu was the pretty much the only representation of Indian people in popular culture. There was no one like Kal Penn, Mindy Kaling or Aziz Ansari on television. It was just Apu. And that made it that much worse from the point of view of both Hari Kondabalu and probably a lot of Indian-Americans who grew up hearing "thank you, come again" ad nauseam.
I don't think networks base their decisions on the nostalgia of long time viewers who somehow think the old episodes are funnier and more clever than the new ones. They base it on the ratings compared to other shows on their
network. And The Simpsons is still one of their top shows. So whether some people like it or not, Fox will keep renewing The Simpsons as long as it has an audience. I guess enough people are entertained by the show for this
to be so, no matter how much better it was perceived to be in the good old days.
That doesn't mean anyone has to target a show based upon the lowest common denominator of the audience. That doesn't improve quality at all.
How does one person simply listening to and going with the points brought up constitute a dialogue between two people? Dialogues go both ways. There was no exchange from Azaria's side because he chose not to defend himself or simply couldn't think of a counter argument. Simply giving in to someone else's idea is not how dialogue works.
Here's a counter solution: why couldn't Apu take diction lessons and get a better job if that was his problem as far as his 'representative profile' was concerned rather than getting bounced entirely from the show? If they were reealy honest which is what All good humor is based on they could've made a very funny episode based on this controversy.
@Cyke There, That is what Dialogue is. See the difference?
I thought Azaria voices multiple characters? And he’s been booted completely just because of Apu?
It’s always funny that when discussing people belonging to a minority being offended by something, we put emphasis on listening to them because they have a different perspective, but at the same time, the people that belong to the same minority that aren’t offended are ignored.
He's not being booted completely, he's just no longer doing the voice for Apu. And we're not sure what is happening with Apu himself yet, altho my guess is they will just quietly retire the character or confine him to background shots where he doesn't say anything. So in the end there will be less "representation", which is victory i guess?
As far as your other point, there are a lot of people who have come forward as pro-Apu but feels like most people either gave up on the simpsons years ago or only tune in intermittently. iow the passion is mostly on the side of the intolerant portion of the left while most people just shrug. Now if disney decided to edit out Apu from the classic episodes that are streaming, you probably would see a bigger uproar.... but even then i'm guessing most simpsons fans have the classic 1st 10 seasons or so on dvd already.
A lot of the characters on the Simpsons are ridiculous stereotypes that people could find offensive if they were inclined.
Characters like the Italian Chef or the poor redneck Cletus family could be offensive to some people I guess.
I get the point about a lack of positive representation but bigots are always going to find some thing to latch on to and use against others.
If Apu wasn't around I doubt the people bullying or abusing Indian American kids wouldn't of found something else to use against them. Apu was the easy thing to use since The Simpson was very popular and there were not many other Indian characters in American popular culture back in the day.
That might have made a funny episode but even that sounds like a way to write him out of the show. If you changed Apu's job and voice, what would be the point of having him around? I guess they could find a new angle on him, but that's not usually what you do with a comical cartoon character. Apu's raison d'être was being the stereotypical overzealous, workaholic immigrant working at a convenience store. Change that and you pretty much have a totally different character.