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    Default Can MCU Captain America defeat Edward Cullen and survive the battle with him?

    Since Captain America armed with his circular Vibranium shield has survived a beating from Quicksilver, reacted to gunfire and can keep with Mark 46 Iron man who flies at the speed of mach 46.8 and if he were to fight Edward Cullen, couldn't he be able to stand up against this vampire?

    If not, why wouldn't Captain America be able to do something against Edward Cullen if he were to fight him?
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    Are you suggesting that Cap can keep up with speedsters who can move at Mach 47?

    As an aside, this board DOES make a distinction between 'travel speed' and reaction speed (assuming the travelling doesn't so much require reaction; running through a city at lightspeed WOULD require such reaction speeds, flying through space at lightspeed wouldn't).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    Are you suggesting that Cap can keep up with speedsters who can move at Mach 47?

    As an aside, this board DOES make a distinction between 'travel speed' and reaction speed (assuming the travelling doesn't so much require reaction; running through a city at lightspeed WOULD require such reaction speeds, flying through space at lightspeed wouldn't).
    But what i've meant is that Captain America does this by merely combat speed and reactions, not by travelling at literally lightspeed!

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    By your own admission Quicksilver beat up Cap because he's a lot faster.

    Edward is not just a lot faster than Cap, but he's also A LOT stronger than Quicksilver.

    Edward can blitz Cap to shreds no problem.

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    as much as i love mcu cap, he's gonna get merc'd by ed. too fast and too strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannoraptor View Post
    But what i've meant is that Captain America does this by merely combat speed and reactions, not by travelling at literally lightspeed!
    even if cap is a bullet timer, which is a discussion for another time, ed moves waaaaay too fast for him to do anything but get punched to death.

    as you yourself said in the OP, cap got beaten by quicksilver. the only reason he really survived that fight is because while pietro has super speed, he doesn't have super strength. (honestly can't remember him doing anything in AOU to suggest he has anything but standard human levels of strength). and as dark has already said, ed is a LOT stronger than pietro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannoraptor View Post
    But what i've meant is that Captain America does this by merely combat speed and reactions, not by travelling at literally lightspeed!
    That's my point.

    Are you saying that Cap has reaction time such that he can not only react to stuff moving at Mach 47, but also move his body -- in combat -- to actively fight at that speed?

    Because if he could, the elevator fight sequence would have lasted ~ 0.01 seconds, as Cap hypersonic blitzes everyone in the elevator. His fight with any hero who hasn't shown that kind of reaction speed would have ended in an instant as he hypersonic blitzes them. Etc.

    Cripes, Quicksilver isn't shown to be that fast in the Avengers. At all. Stuff is still moving around him, if slowly, when he's moving at superspeed, and Mach 47 is almost 9 miles in a second.

    Edit: he's fast enough to see bullets flying in slow motion -- which seems to be his peak speed -- but not 47 times faster than a pistol bullet.
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    I'm not sure even Tony is Mach 47 lol. When does he do that!?

    Fastest he ever goes (probably) is when he diverts power and catches Maw as he tries to leave Earth orbit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    even if cap is a bullet timer, which is a discussion for another time, ed moves waaaaay too fast for him to do anything but get punched to death.
    But how fast do you think Edward Cullen really is as compared to a gunshot even if Captain America is a bullet timer?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannoraptor View Post
    But how fast do you think Edward Cullen really is even if Captain America is a bullet timer?!


    if cap was as fast as you believe him to be, he would've at the very least, dodged QS and the very most, tagged him.

    as mentioned before, ed is way stronger than QS. so what do you think would've happened if cap got hit by him in that same situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post


    if cap was as fast as you believe him to be, he would've at the very least, dodged QS and the very most, tagged him.

    as mentioned before, ed is way stronger than QS. so what do you think would've happened if cap got hit by him in that same situation?
    Oh yeah, Quicksilver! But Captain America managed to easily outrun cars so i thought that'd also reach at subsonic speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    That's my point.

    Are you saying that Cap has reaction time such that he can not only react to stuff moving at Mach 47, but also move his body -- in combat -- to actively fight at that speed?

    Because if he could, the elevator fight sequence would have lasted ~ 0.01 seconds, as Cap hypersonic blitzes everyone in the elevator. His fight with any hero who hasn't shown that kind of reaction speed would have ended in an instant as he hypersonic blitzes them. Etc.

    Cripes, Quicksilver isn't shown to be that fast in the Avengers. At all. Stuff is still moving around him, if slowly, when he's moving at superspeed, and Mach 47 is almost 9 miles in a second.

    Edit: he's fast enough to see bullets flying in slow motion -- which seems to be his peak speed -- but not 47 times faster than a pistol bullet.
    Then Captain America might just got to block Edward Cullen's attacks with the Vibranium shield but he struggled against Quicksilver and got K.O'ed by him so here are the rest of the feats for Captain America's durability: survived some repulsor blast from Ultron Prime, a plasma shot, a fall from the top of a multi-storey building or a great height onto a car, grenade explosion, beatings from Crossbones who has busted a bulletproof door and even a kick from Thanos who had effortlessly beaten up Hulk.
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    Edward is not faster than MCU quicksliver. I never saw the movies, but I've seen clips posted in debates. Edward doesn't have a single bullet time feat or blitz as good as Pietro when he grabbed Thor's hammer.

    Im not sure ed strikes THAT much harder than Pietro. Guy hit hard enough to make Cap feel it, pulp ultron drones, etc. Ed is maybe as strong as MCU spdiey in civil war from what ive seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannoraptor View Post
    Oh yeah, Quicksilver! But Captain America managed to easily outrun cars so i thought that'd also reach at subsonic speed.

    Then Captain America might just got to block Edward Cullen's attacks with the Vibranium shield but he struggled against Quicksilver and got K.O'ed by him so here are the rest of the feats for Captain America's durability: survived some repulsor blast from Ultron Prime, a plasma shot, a fall from the top of a multi-storey building or a great height onto a car, grenade explosion, beatings from Crossbones who has busted a bulletproof door and even a kick from Thanos who had effortlessly beaten up Hulk.
    running faster than cars is one thing.

    zipping around a battlefield as such speeds that you appear as a blur to your foes and preciving bullets in flight as moving slow is another thing.

    unless, you wanna say that cap can react at such speed. then by all means, present the feats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    running faster than cars is one thing.

    zipping around a battlefield as such speeds that you appear as a blur to your foes and preciving bullets in flight as moving slow is another thing.

    unless, you wanna say that cap can react at such speed. then by all means, present the feats.
    Here's one: He has even dodged Ultron whom Quicksilver perceived him to be moving even while running at full speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannoraptor View Post
    Oh yeah, Quicksilver! But Captain America managed to easily outrun cars so i thought that'd also reach at subsonic speed.
    Subsonic is 'everything slower than the speed of sound'. I'M subsonic.

    There is no doubt that Cap is faster than a normal human. The question becomes, is MCU Cap fast enough to try to match someone who runs across a parking lot so fast that nobody watching - and there are a lot of people watching - even see this happen? It's not a short, 'moves a few feet in a blink' situation. It's far more than that. The guy effortlessly disappears and reappears simply by speed.

    Cap is in no way this fast in his movies.

    How's Cap blocking all of his attacks? How's Cap hitting him back? We're not even getting into the idea that Edward also reads minds in combat to get some level of combat precog on his opposition. So not only is he a whack faster than Cap - blitz-faster, easily, I would say - but he's reading Cap's mind to know Cap's next step.

    Then Captain America might just got to block Edward Cullen's attacks with the Vibranium shield but he struggled against Quicksilver and got K.O'ed by him so here are the rest of the feats for Captain America's durability: survived some repulsor blast from Ultron Prime, a plasma shot, a fall from the top of a multi-storey building or a great height onto a car, grenade explosion, beatings from Crossbones who has busted a bulletproof door and even a kick from Thanos who had effortlessly beaten up Hulk.
    So, Cap gets KO'ed by Quicksilver, but him trucking through a kick from Thanos is legit?

    I can get behind the other feats, kind of. They're somewhat in the area of Cap's presentation in the movies. I mean, they don't stop Edward from hammering away with impunity, over and over again, until Cap goes down. Or simply ripping his head off with his teeth, which is something he has done to other Twilight 'vampires' (who are, themselves, durable like stone).

    But him eating a kick from a dude who can casually beat down the Hulk, and Cap does it without getting mangled badly? Hm. I strongly doubt Cap is in the ballpark of the Hulk for durability; if he were, all of those other things mentioned would do somewhere between squat and jack to him.
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