Classic Doctor Strange (Marvel Comics) Vs True Form Illyria (Buffyverse)

[KJS]

Been curious about this one for a while.

This is Illyria at her absolute most powerful as seen in the comic books.

How does it go?

[Captain Morgan]

Can you share how powerful that is? Because my recollection from a few years back is "not nearly enough," but she might have had new feats since then.

[Tomzilla]

True Form Illyria is capable of

-time/space manipulation (selectively alters the flow of time, freezes time, travels through time, etc.)
-open portals to different dimensions (like ones teeming with shrimp)
-super strength (leveled skyscrapers)
-resurrection (resurrected/regenerated the dead -- she herself has transcended death a number of times)
-geokinesis (triggered earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and buried enemies alive)
-shuffle her enemy's timeline around so he's either a child or an older man or (and this one is theoretical but makes sense) so old their bodies crumble into dust
-finding a moment in time where existence ends while collapsing multiple dimensions along the way. Illyria nearly accomplished this in Wolfram & Hart's backyard, where they have reality-temporal warping powers but couldn't do much to stop her on their own.

Her weakest showing was being brought down by Wolfram & Hart's dragon-jet-things. Although she later admitted she wanted to lose, so...

I'm not sure if any of that helps against Classic Strange.

[master of read]

True Form Illyria is capable of

-time/space manipulation (selectively alters the flow of time, freezes time, travels through time, etc.)
-open portals to different dimensions (like ones teeming with shrimp)
-super strength (leveled skyscrapers)
-resurrection (resurrected/regenerated the dead -- she herself has transcended death a number of times)
-geokinesis (triggered earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and buried enemies alive)
-shuffle her enemy's timeline around so he's either a child or an older man or (and this one is theoretical but makes sense) so old their bodies crumble into dust
-finding a moment in time where existence ends while collapsing multiple dimensions along the way. Illyria nearly accomplished this in Wolfram & Hart's backyard, where they have reality-temporal warping powers but couldn't do much to stop her on their own.

Her weakest showing was being brought down by Wolfram & Hart's dragon-jet-things. Although she later admitted she wanted to lose, so...

I'm not sure if any of that helps against Classic Strange.

"hmmm. i might actually have to break a sweat for once."

[big_adventure]

That's all pretty salutatory, but Strange still seems to be operating on a much higher tier of power.

Crimson Bands, ten count, buh-bye. There's literally nothing in her arsenal that will let her defend against that, and nothing remotely hinting that she can break them. And I don't think that the showings she has are getting through his autoshields, so even should she win on the draw, it's not ending Steve before he can whip out the nasty.

[Captain Morgan]

The big issue as I see it is most of that is impressive esoteric shenanigans, but Strange has the sort of magical defenses that let him function when the rest of the Earth has had time frozen. So fancy time shenanigans aren't likely to do him in like they would most opponents. Illyria needs the raw power to overwhelm him. Only thstclast showing hints at anything close to the oomph to do so, but it sounds like there is a lot of context involved so I'd need to read it. Issue numbers?

[Powerboy]

That's all pretty salutatory, but Strange still seems to be operating on a much higher tier of power.

Crimson Bands, ten count, buh-bye. There's literally nothing in her arsenal that will let her defend against that, and nothing remotely hinting that she can break them. And I don't think that the showings she has are getting through his autoshields, so even should she win on the draw, it's not ending Steve before he can whip out the nasty.

It's been a while with both characters. What did movie Strange stop with the Crimson bands?

His time loops and dimension dumps are meaningless against Illyria.

[master of read]

It's been a while with both characters. What did movie Strange stop with the Crimson bands?

His time loops and dimension dumps are meaningless against Illyria.

this is classic comics strange.

[big_adventure]

It's been a while with both characters. What did movie Strange stop with the Crimson bands?

His time loops and dimension dumps are meaningless against Illyria.

This isn't movie strange, it's Classic 616 Strange.

[Powerboy]

this is classic comics strange.

OOPS! Never mind. Illyria is in big trouble.

[Sharpandpointies]

The big issue as I see it is most of that is impressive esoteric shenanigans, but Strange has the sort of magical defenses that let him function when the rest of the Earth has had time frozen. So fancy time shenanigans aren't likely to do him in like they would most opponents.

This. Normally time stops and the like would be problematic, but Strange futzes around with time, operates during time stops, that kind of thing himself.

[big_adventure]

This. Normally time stops and the like would be problematic, but Strange futzes around with time, operates during time stops, that kind of thing himself.

I just love the idea of Steve "futzing."

[Sharpandpointies]

I just love the idea of Steve "futzing."

Well, he makes bizarre gestures with his hands, so maybe that covers the 'fiddling' part. ^_^

[KJS]

Out of curiosity, given that Illyria in her true form is skyscraper size (or at least large tower block size, depending on who's drawing her), I was wondering when has Strange (Strange, not Dormammu) ever cast the Crimson Bands on a target anywhere near that scale?

[The Arbiter]

Out of curiosity, given that Illyria in her true form is skyscraper size (or at least large tower block size, depending on who's drawing her), I was wondering when has Strange (Strange, not Dormammu) ever cast the Crimson Bands on a target anywhere near that scale?

Do you have more context on her "collapsing multiple dimensions" feat? Because if it's a raw power thing, then the Bands wont hold her anyways.