It was, but the thought was that Gunn wanted SS to be R.
Folks with agendas don't see it like that.
Take what a certain Disney employee used to justify NOT making Black Panther. Steel & Catwoman. And we KNOW how bad they were. Yet because they were black lead-that was more than enough to justify not doing Panther.
You and me and most around here could have offered better reason for those flops beyond race and gender.
I never heard of Rhythm Section and did not see an ad for Charlie's Angels.
And do you know why it's bad?
Because many of these movies focused too much on deliver their message instead of making a good movie, the cast and all the crew pick got too much to do with PC instead of skill.
Ppl regardless of gender, race or whatever can make good stories. But when it got too much to do with political propaganda, it's going to be a mess because quality will have to move aside for other stuff.
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For example, women can write good stories, direct good stuff even if it's men's stories. It's wrong to block a good female writer simply because of her gender, that's wrong.
But on the other hand, men can write good female stories as well, it's also not wise to specifically choose someone because she's a woman, this applies to everything else.
It should always be about "ppl with the best ability to deliver quality to the project to be chosen, regardless of whatever", not "ppl with the most right political view/gender/race/whatever to gain specialty". This works on both side. Also a movie should focus on "deliver quality, give the audience to think about" instead of "send political message to teach ppl from above".
Last edited by Slowpokeking; 02-18-2020 at 05:02 PM.
Black Panther, Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel were successful despite having a clear message. "Get Out" had a very clear message as well. But a lot of detractors like to blame the message for overshadowing the quality anytime one of those movies fail because they don't identify with the message. (and some just downright despise it)
I see it as "X people can make good movies or bad movies, just like Y people can make good movies or bad movies" regardless of whether or not there's some social message attached. It's more that some people don't like when the message isn't what they're used to. Movies have always had messages - whether it comes from the establishment or those who have felt outside the establishment. The difference is that the ones from the prevailing culture have been so drilled in our heads for so long that it becomes comfortable and expected to have them reinforced to the point it's not even seen as an agenda or laden with social messages.
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Black Panther didn't demonize either side or making either side with X view purely bad.
Wonder Woman didn't either, it showed Ares had his reason despite going too extreme. There are bad ppl, both men and women as well.
The worst of them, Captain Marvel also actually tried to avoid politics, the villains didn't have anything to do with sexism and there are evil women in the movie. Yet it's a bad movie, only got high gross due to MCU reason.
It didn't force the way, trying to teach ppl from above but let the audience see and think of it. It also gave both sides reason and characterization.
A movie can have some bias, but trying to force it too hard, even go with it on how to pick the film crew would easily affect the quality in a bad way.
It's like you have to pick certain group of ppl as producer, director, screen writer even if there are better choices outside of the group, not allowed to point out the problem of certain group, but has to push hard to show the opposite's flaw, even expand them in a way to let ppl hate them. The storytelling has to go behind the political propaganda. Certain ppl who had not commit any crime in real life must be labeled as bad or even their supporters have to be bad.
There is a very big chance that the movie will fail.