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    Quote Originally Posted by titanfan View Post
    Harley Quinn up to 145M worldwide. Probably going to lose slightly amounts or break even after all is said and done.

    The real question is how this will effect Suicide Squad, DC could get cold feet and go PG13 with it.
    Wasn't the first movie PG13?

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    It was, but the thought was that Gunn wanted SS to be R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titanfan View Post
    It was, but the thought was that Gunn wanted SS to be R.
    That would not be a good idea.

    I still have confidence in DC though, most of the recent movies were fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpokeking View Post
    That would not be a good idea.

    I still have confidence in DC though, most of the recent movies were fine.
    If anything deserves an R rated it's Suicide Squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Weapon View Post
    If anything deserves an R rated it's Suicide Squad.
    HQ:BoP could have gotten by with a PG13 rating with a few minor alterations. Nothing really stuck out to me as deserving an R rating that was really necessary. Noticed alot of F-bombs, though. But again, could have gotten around that too.
    just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    If those movies flopped,it's because they were bad.

    There's no way a remake of a good cartoon, a Marvel movie and a sequel to a good DC movie are gonna fail unless something remarkably stupid happens.
    Feminism is over because some movies didnít do very well. Hands back your polling cards, girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    If those movies flopped,it's because they were bad.

    There's no way a remake of a good cartoon, a Marvel movie and a sequel to a good DC movie are gonna fail unless something remarkably stupid happens.
    Folks with agendas don't see it like that.

    Take what a certain Disney employee used to justify NOT making Black Panther. Steel & Catwoman. And we KNOW how bad they were. Yet because they were black lead-that was more than enough to justify not doing Panther.

    You and me and most around here could have offered better reason for those flops beyond race and gender.

    I never heard of Rhythm Section and did not see an ad for Charlie's Angels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyvolt2000 View Post
    Folks with agendas don't see it like that.

    Take what a certain Disney employee used to justify NOT making Black Panther. Steel & Catwoman. And we KNOW how bad they were. Yet because they were black lead-that was more than enough to justify not doing Panther.

    You and me and most around here could have offered better reason for those flops beyond race and gender.

    I never heard of Rhythm Section and did not see an ad for Charlie's Angels.
    And do you know why it's bad?

    Because many of these movies focused too much on deliver their message instead of making a good movie, the cast and all the crew pick got too much to do with PC instead of skill.

    Ppl regardless of gender, race or whatever can make good stories. But when it got too much to do with political propaganda, it's going to be a mess because quality will have to move aside for other stuff.
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    For example, women can write good stories, direct good stuff even if it's men's stories. It's wrong to block a good female writer simply because of her gender, that's wrong.

    But on the other hand, men can write good female stories as well, it's also not wise to specifically choose someone because she's a woman, this applies to everything else.

    It should always be about "ppl with the best ability to deliver quality to the project to be chosen, regardless of whatever", not "ppl with the most right political view/gender/race/whatever to gain specialty". This works on both side. Also a movie should focus on "deliver quality, give the audience to think about" instead of "send political message to teach ppl from above".
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    Quote Originally Posted by titanfan View Post
    Harley Quinn up to 145M worldwide. Probably going to lose slightly amounts or break even after all is said and done.

    The real question is how this will effect Suicide Squad, DC could get cold feet and go PG13 with it.
    I thought the real question is what will WB do now with HQ? Are they still planning to have her lead Gotham City Sirens? Will she still be a pivotal character in the DCEU? Where does she go from here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colossus1980 View Post
    I thought the real question is what will WB do now with HQ? Are they still planning to have her lead Gotham City Sirens? Will she still be a pivotal character in the DCEU? Where does she go from here?
    We will need to see how SS2 does.

    But Robbie probably won't have the chance to be producer again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frobisher View Post
    Feminism is over because some movies didn’t do very well. Hands back your polling cards, girls.
    I bet now they wish they had never burned their bras

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpokeking View Post
    For example, women can write good stories, direct good stuff even if it's men's stories. It's wrong to block a good female writer simply because of her gender, that's wrong.

    But on the other hand, men can write good female stories as well, it's also not wise to specifically choose someone because she's a woman, this applies to everything else.

    It should always be about "ppl with the best ability to deliver quality to the project to be chosen, regardless of whatever", not "ppl with the most right political view/gender/race/whatever to gain specialty". This works on both side. Also a movie should focus on "deliver quality, give the audience to think about" instead of "send political message to teach ppl from above".
    Black Panther, Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel were successful despite having a clear message. "Get Out" had a very clear message as well. But a lot of detractors like to blame the message for overshadowing the quality anytime one of those movies fail because they don't identify with the message. (and some just downright despise it)

    I see it as "X people can make good movies or bad movies, just like Y people can make good movies or bad movies" regardless of whether or not there's some social message attached. It's more that some people don't like when the message isn't what they're used to. Movies have always had messages - whether it comes from the establishment or those who have felt outside the establishment. The difference is that the ones from the prevailing culture have been so drilled in our heads for so long that it becomes comfortable and expected to have them reinforced to the point it's not even seen as an agenda or laden with social messages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j9ac9k View Post
    Black Panther, Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel were successful despite having a clear message. "Get Out" had a very clear message as well. But a lot of detractors like to blame the message for overshadowing the quality anytime one of those movies fail because they don't identify with the message. (and some just downright despise it)

    I see it as "X people can make good movies or bad movies, just like Y people can make good movies or bad movies" regardless of whether or not there's some social message attached. It's more that some people don't like when the message isn't what they're used to. Movies have always had messages - whether it comes from the establishment or those who have felt outside the establishment. The difference is that the ones from the prevailing culture have been so drilled in our heads for so long that it becomes comfortable and expected to have them reinforced to the point it's not even seen as an agenda or laden with social messages.
    Black Panther didn't demonize either side or making either side with X view purely bad.

    Wonder Woman didn't either, it showed Ares had his reason despite going too extreme. There are bad ppl, both men and women as well.

    The worst of them, Captain Marvel also actually tried to avoid politics, the villains didn't have anything to do with sexism and there are evil women in the movie. Yet it's a bad movie, only got high gross due to MCU reason.

    It didn't force the way, trying to teach ppl from above but let the audience see and think of it. It also gave both sides reason and characterization.

    A movie can have some bias, but trying to force it too hard, even go with it on how to pick the film crew would easily affect the quality in a bad way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j9ac9k View Post
    Black Panther, Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel were successful despite having a clear message. "Get Out" had a very clear message as well. But a lot of detractors like to blame the message for overshadowing the quality anytime one of those movies fail because they don't identify with the message. (and some just downright despise it)

    I see it as "X people can make good movies or bad movies, just like Y people can make good movies or bad movies" regardless of whether or not there's some social message attached. It's more that some people don't like when the message isn't what they're used to. Movies have always had messages - whether it comes from the establishment or those who have felt outside the establishment. The difference is that the ones from the prevailing culture have been so drilled in our heads for so long that it becomes comfortable and expected to have them reinforced to the point it's not even seen as an agenda or laden with social messages.
    It's like you have to pick certain group of ppl as producer, director, screen writer even if there are better choices outside of the group, not allowed to point out the problem of certain group, but has to push hard to show the opposite's flaw, even expand them in a way to let ppl hate them. The storytelling has to go behind the political propaganda. Certain ppl who had not commit any crime in real life must be labeled as bad or even their supporters have to be bad.

    There is a very big chance that the movie will fail.

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