Why is Attilan accepted but Krakoa is not?

[Rosebunse]

Concurring with all of you on this. Super-Olympics for the superpowered would be spectacular. Spider-Man representing America and Nightcrawler representing Krakoa in a gymnastic showdown would be the highlight, I'd think.

And best swimmer! Who would represent America? I honestly can't think of any aquatic American character. Manphibian? He has to have some sort of citizenship by now.

[Marvelman]

For the same reason the Avengers are accepted and the X-Men are not.

[LordUltimus]

For the same reason the Avengers are accepted and the X-Men are not.

The Avengers are basically outlaws at the moment.

[Huntsman Spider]

For the same reason the Avengers are accepted and the X-Men are not.

The Avengers are basically outlaws at the moment.

Yeah, ever since the Avengers made T'Challa/Black Panther their chairperson, which indicated to the U.S. government that they would be primarily serving Wakanda's interests from now on instead of the United States' --- which was almost never the case to begin with. Did they receive certain sanctions to operate (mostly) unmolested by the United States government (and the United Nations later)? Yes, but that didn't mean they ever explicitly or directly worked for the U.S. government, except in the Ultimate Marvel Universe.

[pkingdom]

They were briefly working directly under the US government waaaaaaay back, and it was a disaster mostly used to show why it was a terrible idea.

[Huntsman Spider]

They were briefly working directly under the US government waaaaaaay back, and it was a disaster mostly used to show why it was a terrible idea.

Pretty much, yeah.

[Rosebunse]

The Avengers have their high and low periods when it comes to government involvement. Right now, the Avengers are allowed to exist. They certainly have better PR than the X-Men, but that is a different discussion entirely.

[Killerbee911]

Yeah, ever since the Avengers made T'Challa/Black Panther their chairperson, which indicated to the U.S. government that they would be primarily serving Wakanda's interests from now on instead of the United States' --- which was almost never the case to begin with. Did they receive certain sanctions to operate (mostly) unmolested by the United States government (and the United Nations later)? Yes, but that didn't mean they ever explicitly or directly worked for the U.S. government, except in the Ultimate Marvel Universe.

Tony Stark was the head of Shield, He put together a group of Avengers(Mighty Avengers) Sentry, Ms Marvel,Ares, Wasp,Black Widow,Wonder Man etc during the Initiative era( aka everyone was registered to be superhero with government) they most definitely directly working for the government then in that period.

--Marvel rant-- The Initiative was the most effective/logical period for Superheroes in Marvel, They had super heroes in 50 states and training program for young heroes and people to learn to control their powers. Most of logical loopholes superheroes genre( teen heroes,who pays for damage, the fact no government would let people run around untrained or unsupervised, How do superheroes make money,etc) was closed up during that period. In a world with people who have super powers they would be some restrictive rules like that but it would also mean super powers would be assets. Which would mean governments would scoop up mutants and train them. Prejudice would still exist of course but it would be just as likely most mutants would be loved as the elite class humans who protect the world against aliens, monsters, demons, robots and gods. Mutation would be seen as a gift to a lot of people. Honestly mutants have bad PR as poster above mentioned above. Something like Hero association(what the Initiative was in Marvel) found in MHA and One punch man make more sense that what Marvel is doing. But Marvel is trying to tell a different story, so it is fine.-- End rant--

[MagSeven]

I think it's because when they aren't releasing mists to transform you, your family, friends and neighbors into random creatures without your consent or killing people at Operas, Attilan tends to mind it's own business.

[Huntsman Spider]

Tony Stark was the head of Shield, He put together a group of Avengers(Mighty Avengers) Sentry, Ms Marvel,Ares, Wasp,Black Widow,Wonder Man etc during the Initiative era( aka everyone was registered to be superhero with government) they most definitely directly working for the government then in that period.

--Marvel rant-- The Initiative was the most effective/logical period for Superheroes in Marvel, They had super heroes in 50 states and training program for young heroes and people to learn to control their powers. Most of logical loopholes superheroes genre( teen heroes,who pays for damage, the fact no government would let people run around untrained or unsupervised, How do superheroes make money,etc) was closed up during that period. In a world with people who have super powers they would be some restrictive rules like that but it would also mean super powers would be assets. Which would mean governments would scoop up mutants and train them. Prejudice would still exist of course but it would be just as likely most mutants would be loved as the elite class humans who protect the world against aliens, monsters, demons, robots and gods. Mutation would be seen as a gift to a lot of people. Honestly mutants have bad PR as poster above mentioned above. Something like Hero association(what the Initiative was in Marvel) found in MHA and One punch man make more sense that what Marvel is doing. But Marvel is trying to tell a different story, so it is fine.-- End rant--

Fair enough, but considering that period led directly into Norman Osborn being given control of S.H.I.E.L.D. (which he renamed H.A.M.M.E.R.) and allowed to assemble his own Avengers, which he staffed with utter psychopaths dressed up like heroes . . . not exactly something that bestows confidence in the idea of Avengers, or superheroes, working for the government.

I think it's because when they aren't releasing mists to transform you, your family, friends and neighbors into random creatures without your consent or killing people at Operas, Attilan tends to mind it's own business.

The problem with that idea is that "mutants just minding their own business" got attacked, murdered, and threatened with outright genocide by humanity over and over again, hence the existence of Krakoa in the first place. If it wasn't made clear to them in the (recent) past that they would never be welcome in human society or embraced as equals by humanity at large, there would be no need for Krakoa.

[pkingdom]

I keep thinking about making a topic just listing the genocide attempts, and maybe the massacres. Because comics are focus on the US, we never quite see if the genocides happen much of elsewhere, aside from that one Nightcrawler moment. People attacking mutants seems pretty common, but actual full-on genocides? And I wonder how many are the work of small groups, individuals or governments.

[BroHomo]

WHY IS ATTILAN ACCEPTED BUT KRAKOA IS NOT?

Hmmm...
Because Even compared to the X-Men...
Despite coming from a world were the people can look an almost unlimited # of ways.



Inhumans Was still kiiiiinda aggressively
All White People

[From The Shadows]

They weren't always accepted, actually. I remember things being thrown at them and they were these bizarre race living in isolation to most humans. I remember they became poor but I forgot why and they needed food or something and it was a big political mess.

[Zelena]

The problem with that idea is that "mutants just minding their own business" got attacked, murdered, and threatened with outright genocide by humanity over and over again, hence the existence of Krakoa in the first place. If it wasn't made clear to them in the (recent) past that they would never be welcome in human society or embraced as equals by humanity at large, there would be no need for Krakoa.

It isn't about whether the mutants are right or wrong to do what they do, though…

Individually, the mutants are not accepted. So, a nation of mutants…

My take is that the 'humans' are much more pragmatic than that. We tolerate worse dictatorships than Krakoa. If we see a threat, we usually just keep a eye on it and act only if we cannot do differently. We are not immortal, after all…

[Force de Phenix]

The title makes no sense, because almost every, if not all of the inhumans stories were attacks on Attilan either from outside or within. They had to escape to the Moon because of humans.

The question should be "What can Krakoa learn from the fall of Attilan?"