Why is Attilan accepted but Krakoa is not?

[Otto Gruenwald]

Mutants themselves have used Sentinels several times after Genosa.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Hellfire Club which is all mutant save for Donald fund the development of Sentinels? I know they at least made the blue ones that fought the New Mutants.

It's crazy. The biggest anti-Flatscan bugbear and people in key parts of Krakoa's government have funded their development.

[Knives]

Mutants themselves have used Sentinels several times after Genosa.

Likewise, several countries created their own atomic bombs after USA .

The same applies to other weapons and technologies. All trying to stay ahead of their rivals.

[Lapsus]

Given Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister are part of Krakoa humans are completely justified in hating and fearing mutants. Nothing says good intentions like partnering with Hitler plus and Mengele plus.

They were hated before this alliance, so this argument falls apart for me because it can be justified with the argument of escalation.

From their point of view, they were forced to cooperante with their former enemies.

[Killerbee911]

Mutants themselves have used Sentinels several times after Genosa.

Unless you are talking about mutants deploying Sentinels against humans and killing a ton of them you don't really have a point. Trinary misguidedly using a Sentinel isn't really mutants using Sentinels.

The many countries in the world keeps weapons of Mass destruction designed to kill mutants around and people are worried about the nobility of mutants tactics. It is a stupid point go mutants have "monsters in their midst" they shouldn't trust them when the same is true of humans. Would you trust people with weapons designed to kill you around?

[Lapsus]

As long human countries have Sentinels, Any tactics mutant do is fine. Nothing says good intentions like using the genocidal robots that killed 16 million people. After America drops nukes the world put rules in place against using those weapons again. After Sentinels killed 16 millions, nothing happened.

You know that is absolutely unfair to use Genosha to make any point.

Genosha defies the laws of common sense, nobody asked anything after 16 million died in one day.

Three times the holocaust, is like the atomic bomb on steroids.

Is bad writing from Morrisons part, they never think how many people are 16 million.

[spirit2011]

You know that is absolutely unfair to use Genosha to make any point.

Genosha defies the laws of common sense, nobody asked anything after 16 million died in one day.

Three times the holocaust, is like the atomic bomb on steroids.

Is bad writing from Morrisons part, they never think how many people are 16 million.

It's like two NYC were killed. 16 millions are more than many countries population

[Knives]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Hellfire Club which is all mutant save for Donald fund the development of Sentinels? I know they at least made the blue ones that fought the New Mutants.

It's crazy. The biggest anti-Flatscan bugbear and people in key parts of Krakoa's government have funded their development.

Shaw first of all cares more about power and money. The US government and other countries already had Bolivar Trask's project. According to Shaw, even if he hadn't helped build the machines, another group would have done it, so he decided to keep the money. It is similar to what happened with the atomic bomb even if the USA had not created another country would have done because there was a race at the time. The same applies to new technologies involving drones and anti-missile weapons today.


If you are offended by this it is normal but in terms of how the world works do not forget that most of the weapons used in conflicts around the world or by smugglers are from the most powerful countries in the world and they sit in the permanent chairs of the UN.

[hulkling]

Unless you are talking about mutants deploying Sentinels against humans and killing a ton of them you don't really have a point. Trinary misguidedly using a Sentinel isn't really mutants using Sentinels.

The many countries in the world keeps weapons of Mass destruction designed to kill mutants around and people are worried about the nobility of mutants tactics. It is a stupid point go mutants have "monsters in their midst" they shouldn't trust them when the same is true of humans. Would you trust people with weapons designed to kill you around?

False. Sentinels arent designed to kill mutants like I said they were created to protect humans. There is a difference. The original history made a huge point about the Sentinels being created to protect the humanity. Cassandra used the Sentinels to kill mutants but their core program at first wasnt kill all mutants. And think about it made sense that Bolivar didnt want to eliminate all mutants, knowing that his son was one of them. The Sentinels created by Larry were more focused in eliminate mutants, as he didnt know that he was a mutant.

About using the Sentinels to kill Emma used them against inhumans, I dont know if it counts.

[Killerbee911]

False. Sentinels arent designed to kill mutants like I said they were created to protect humans.

So you are going to pretend you don't know what happens in pretty much every timeline with Sentinels. K I guess

You know that is absolutely unfair to use Genosha to make any point.

Genosha defies the laws of common sense, nobody asked anything after 16 million died in one day.

Three times the holocaust, is like the atomic bomb on steroids.

Is bad writing from Morrisons part, they never think how many people are 16 million.

No it is not writers after who never follow up. People love to point out how messed up the mutants action are but they make sense in the world Marvel has set up. Before people can criticize mutants two things need to happen

1. Rules against Sentinels and biological weapons against mutants
2. Global rules against the mistreatment of mutants

These two basic things happen after the Holocaust and Atom Bomb was drop( individual speaking of course). People love to criticize what mutants are doing but the world aka humans they live hasn't made the token steps to coexistence. It is not a one way street thing. Anyways that is why this status quo is good because it will push things until reaches a breaking point. Where humans and mutants have reach a middle ground and equalize the previous stories.

[hulkling]

So you are going to pretend to don't know what happens in pretty much every timeline with Sentinels.



No it is not writers after who never follow up. People love to point out how messed up the mutants action are but they make sense in the world Marvel has set up. Before can criticize mutants two things need to happen

1. Rules against Sentinels and biological weapons against mutants
2. Global rules against the mistreat of mutants

These two basic things happen after the Holocaust and Atom Bomb was drop. People love to criticize what mutants are doing but the world aka humans they live hasn't made the token steps to coexistence. It is not a one way street thing. Anyways that is why this status quo is good because it will push things until reaches a breaking point. Where humans and mutants have reach a middle ground and equalize the previous stories.

Do you want to use alternate timelines ? We can talk about how Magneto used Sentinels in the world of M.

[Knives]

False. Sentinels arent designed to kill mutants like I said they were created to protect humans. There is a difference. The original history made a huge point about the Sentinels being created to protect the humanity. Cassandra used the Sentinels to kill mutants but their core program at first wasnt kill all mutants. And think about it made sense that Bolivar didnt want to eliminate all mutants, knowing that his son was one of them. The Sentinels created by Larry were more focused in eliminate mutants, as he didnt know that he was a mutant.

About using the Sentinels to kill Emma used them against inhumans, I dont know if it counts.

Of course I'm sure that when creating and using the atomic bombs for the first time, its creators and developers only had good intentions. It is not their fault if their government decided to use the bombs, they just created them and there was no way for them to know how and where the bombs would be used.

Similarly, it’s not President Bush’s fault for starting a war based on a lie that would cost many lives, it’s not Russia’s fault invading Crimea to protect the Russians who live there and it has nothing to do with issues involving trade routes and gas channels.

And how Emma dares to use Sentinels against a people who let mutants die from poisoning for months. She acted totally like an Inhuman person .

[Lapsus]

No it is not writers after who never follow up. People love to point out how messed up the mutants action are but they make sense in the world Marvel has set up. Before people can criticize mutants two things need to happen

1. Rules against Sentinels and biological weapons against mutants
2. Global rules against the mistreatment of mutants

These two basic things happen after the Holocaust and Atom Bomb was drop( individual speaking of course). People love to criticize what mutants are doing but the world aka humans they live hasn't made the token steps to coexistence. It is not a one way street thing. Anyways that is why this status quo is good because it will push things until reaches a breaking point. Where humans and mutants have reach a middle ground and equalize the previous stories.

If no writer follow up the consequences then is still bad writing, blame Morrison or Marvel, the Genosha incident in order to work as it appears needs to everyone play the idiot ball.

An uncalled attack from an unknown assaliant wipe out a country with a population similar to Netherlands, a nation that was considered a legit power ruled by one of the most powerfull mutants in the world, all of this in one day.

Every country with a sense of self-preservation would star asking questions, who is the responsible ?? what kind of technology can do this ?? are we safe ?? Is this a third party or someone is working for someone ?? The superhero community would be shocked aswell, people would blame everyone with powerfull technology.

Instead we had nothing of this, everything sweeped under the carpet.

In contrast, M-Day is treated like the great mutant catastrophe and Wanda Maximoff the enemy of Mutantkind, how many people did she really kill after House of M ?? i know that she killed mutants because some of them where reliant in their X-Gene.

And yet in the follow up you can see former mutants that were happy of losing their powers, making the repercusions more hard than just the biggest Genocide in the history of the world.

[Killerbee911]

Do you want to use alternate timelines ? We can talk about how Magneto used Sentinels in the world of M.

So you are going to pretend not know what happens then okay cool.. Good talk

[Zelena]

Of course I'm sure that when creating and using the atomic bombs for the first time, its creators and developers only had good intentions. It is not their fault if their government decided to use the bombs, they just created them and there was no way for them to know how and where the bombs would be used.

Similarly, it’s not President Bush’s fault for starting a war based on a lie that would cost many lives, it’s not Russia’s fault invading Crimea to protect the Russians who live there and it has nothing to do with issues involving trade routes and gas channels.

You're kidding, right? When the atomic bomb was created for the first time, it was the war. People were even afraid that the other side would create it first. Weapons are created under wartime to be used.

It's more than the problem with anti-personel mines, though, that kill people even when the war is over: Cassandra Nova has fetched robots that were rusting in the jungle, if I reckon well.

What about the rest, I have some reservations: well, it's not a political forum…

[Tycon]

Everything is build by humans, it would change anything if she used an atomic bomb instead of a sentinel??

She commanded the attack, not any human country, not any human villain, it was she, she orchestated the plan and it was only to spite Charles.

If you can make humanity accountable for nova's crimes then Magneto is accountable for the creation of Sentinels.

How are you missing what I’m saying? Sentinels are created to be used against mutants. Whatever or whoever builds it honestly doesn’t matter that much. The fact that Sentinels were created to police the mutants and eventually start eliminating them gives their existence an entire level of hate and discrimination that other weaponry simply doesn’t possess. They because an icon of anti-mutant sentiment. Which is why, even when Juston from Avengers Academy “fixed” his Sentinel, just him being there made the mutants mad.

Cassandra Nova commanded them attack with a human member of the Trask family. Also, what would Magneto have to do with the creation of Sentinels?