What are the most emotional and powerful moments in X-Men's history?

[From The Shadows]

[From The Shadows]

[From The Shadows]

What Nightcrawler has been hiding.

[Vishop]

So this is one is pretty good that was written by Zdarsky couple of years ago

[jwatson]

What Nightcrawler has been hiding.

Yeah this scene was tough. seeing the penace twins up at the top there in their penance form nearly took me out. The art was amazing though at the start of extraordinary. This was a really hard storyline to get through. When you see stuff like this you really wonder how people were so nonchalant at the time about what mutants were going through but when they find some semblance of peace not a month into it people were calling foul, the dream is dead but mum was the word during this period well except more saying x-fans had a complex. Oh and how the x-line loved making mutants victims even though this overall mandate was not created in the x-books and they had nothing to do with the story where the cloud was released. Though i believe these deaths weren't directly from the cloud it embolden the mutant haters to hurry up their extinction and literally the marvel u was silent. Well except the attilian casinos.

[Su_Whisterfield]

So this is one is pretty good that was written by Zdarsky couple of years ago

Ah, the 40 year punch line to this scene.
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[Zelena]

Yeah this scene was tough. seeing the penace twins up at the top there in their penance form nearly took me out. The art was amazing though at the start of extraordinary. This was a really hard storyline to get through. When you see stuff like this you really wonder how people were so nonchalant at the time about what mutants were going through but when they find some semblance of peace not a month into it people were calling foul, the dream is dead but mum was the word during this period well except more saying x-fans had a complex. Oh and how the x-line loved making mutants victims even though this overall mandate was not created in the x-books and they had nothing to do with the story where the cloud was released. Though i believe these deaths weren't directly from the cloud it embolden the mutant haters to hurry up their extinction and literally the marvel u was silent. Well except the attilian casinos.

I reproach Marvel to have traumatized X-readers…

Reading comics is a hobby, it can make you think, feel… not leave you like an open sore.

Really, they have no shame.

[jwatson]

I reproach Marvel to have traumatized X-readers…

Reading comics is a hobby, it can make you think, feel… not leave you like an open sore.

Really, they have no shame.

I think what made it feel so bleak is no body came, no one showed up. Yet even with the mandate and reading it and knowing it was wrong Lemire did a good job of not directly blaming it on the inhumans. In the book most of the conversations that even showed they were at least trying to help was done in this book so reading others at the time it was like well how come it's not being mentioned in those books. And it was like for year we saw the mutants show up and help other teams, for years we saw the avengers show up for other stuff or them work together in secret war or the FF and it was like coming off one thing after another the only time the other books seemed to have time was when they had a new initiative to pass so if xbooks are your primary books and the rest is your secondary books and people are telling you you have a complex and the conspiracy isn't real that makes the logic go well wtf is going on. Lol. But I loved seeing storm pull it together and literally keep mutantsom together and united in what was there worst period not story wise in the sense that what Lenore was writing was good content but the backdrop and where the franchise was stuck at. I remember feeling like it was literally being gassed and the book in a lot of ways connected at least me as a fan more to the X-Men because even the backdrop of what I felt was happening to the franchise connected to the horror that was actually happening in the book and I just honestly never understood how one issue of Capt marvel or other books didn't at least address it or show how wrong what was happening was. I will never see storm as a failure as a leader because of this time though. There are bright spots in all stories but it is important to know when to walk away like when I did Morrison run. I suspect I wouldn't be the same type of fan of the X-Men I still am if I had went that way and instead of the way I did. Lol. I feel like the choice between Xtreme type of xmeb and Morrison type is where a real break down on light fun adventure with drama and leather and darkness, and looking for a small glimmer of hope instead of trying to bring or be that hope occured

[danielsan52]

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This was a sad moment.

[From The Shadows]

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This was a sad moment.

Yeah, I remember that.

[Grunty]

Yeah this scene was tough. seeing the penace twins up at the top there in their penance form nearly took me out. The art was amazing though at the start of extraordinary. This was a really hard storyline to get through. When you see stuff like this you really wonder how people were so nonchalant at the time about what mutants were going through but when they find some semblance of peace not a month into it people were calling foul, the dream is dead but mum was the word during this period well except more saying x-fans had a complex. Oh and how the x-line loved making mutants victims even though this overall mandate was not created in the x-books and they had nothing to do with the story where the cloud was released. Though i believe these deaths weren't directly from the cloud it embolden the mutant haters to hurry up their extinction and literally the marvel u was silent. Well except the attilian casinos.

The points you bring up can also be reflective of a problem which seems to have affected many longterm X-men readers over the past 2 decades.

Mainly that these moments can have sadly lost a lot of punch, primarily because of how the readers might have grown accustomed to writers pulling these off so regulary that it borders on the (unintentional) ridiculous and how it showcases to them just how little setting continuity or believable development seems to have mattered anymore.

After all this was barely 4 in universe years after half of the world's population of mutants (16 million) were killed in a single day. 3 years after House of M and Decimation in which mutants got reduced to only around 200 powered individuals. And barely 1 year after Avengers vs. X-men ended with mutants having a chance to appear again (depowered mutants were not repowered).

And yet in this status quo there were suddently so many mutants present again in such quantity and spread that they could die of M-Pox or be openly abducted and killed by local armed thugs, enough to fill a mass grave near a single town (in modern day germany...?).

Similar there were suddently several dozen nameless scientist who were mutants, who came out of nowhere in order to fill a lab with their corpses, because they researched the M-Pox, all so adult Cyclops could have dramatically arrive there, see their bodies and suddently die of the infection himself.

Also enough surviving or newly awakened mutants to fill a small nation which could then be used by a heel turned Emma Frost as base of operation in the post IvX status quo.

Not to forget that there were suddently many nameless but powered new adult Morlocks in the tunnels under New York again, who's main job was to get attacked and potential killed by random villains or evil unpowered humans.

Essentialy the writers demonstrated that they were willing and allowed to summon large quantity of mutants into existence with a snap of their finger, who based on setting continuity should not be there and on a scale which even pre-House of M wouldn't have done, but only for the purpose of having them be dead, get killed or otherwise shown suffering.

It starts to break the suspension of disbelief and turns what should be horrible and tragic moments into something that makes some readers roll their eyes just for how common, forced and artifical it started to feel. Because there is no nuance, finesse and not enough downtime between them anymore. It became "just wednesday". Another X-men comic in 2016, another scene of pointless tragic deaths of mutants who came out of nowhere and will never be brought up again (contrast the Mutant Massacre).

With such darkness induced appathy is it any wonder some people could no longer take it serious?

Though on the flipside this can also be the exact same problem for some readers with the current status quo, merely inverted. Because just like how writers pre HOX/POX snapped mutants into existence to have them die and/or suffer during the post House of M status quo, Hickman suddently snapped a wonderfull-high-tech-economic-power-house-island nation into existence with no build up, while also drastically changing the history of multiple long term X-men characters and mutants go from near extinct for the third time in less than 4 years to suddently being totaly awesome and ahead of everyone else (and unironicaly proclaiming themself to be).

And just like with the previous status quo, we once again see writers creating large quantity of nameless random mutants, only this time to be cheering backround fillers. In Rosenbergs run mutants were nearly gone. Now there are suddently so many of them again that they allready are adults who act like they were mutants for years and have kids of their own, with no suggestion of them being revived genoshans.

There was no time of transition from one state to the other. It just happened because the writers said so. The previous status quo just got flipped on it's head: "Mutants are awesome now and better than ever before. Look they can even combine their powers to work like machinery... that surely isn't just a setup for a downfall and hubris story, which will just end with everything broken again!".

Too many old mares, will make one start to look even a gift horse in the mouth.

[jwatson]

The points you bring up can also be reflective of a problem which seems to have affected many longterm X-men readers over the past 2 decades.

Mainly that these moments can have sadly lost a lot of punch, primarily because of how the readers might have grown accustomed to writers pulling these off so regulary that it borders on the (unintentional) ridiculous and how it showcases to them just how little setting continuity or believable development seems to have mattered anymore.

After all this was barely 4 in universe years after half of the world's population of mutants (16 million) were killed in a single day. 3 years after House of M and Decimation in which mutants got reduced to only around 200 powered individuals. And barely 1 year after Avengers vs. X-men ended with mutants having a chance to appear again (depowered mutants were not repowered).

And yet in this status quo there were suddently so many mutants present again in such quantity and spread that they could die of M-Pox or be openly abducted and killed by local armed thugs, enough to fill a mass grave near a single town (in modern day germany...?).

Similar there were suddently several dozen nameless scientist who were mutants, who came out of nowhere in order to fill a lab with their corpses, because they researched the M-Pox, all so adult Cyclops could have dramatically arrive there, see their bodies and suddently die of the infection himself.

Also enough surviving or newly awakened mutants to fill a small nation which could then be used by a heel turned Emma Frost as base of operation in the post IvX status quo.

Not to forget that there were suddently many nameless but powered new adult Morlocks in the tunnels under New York again, who's main job was to get attacked and potential killed by random villains or evil unpowered humans.

Essentialy the writers demonstrated that they were willing and allowed to summon large quantity of mutants into existence with a snap of their finger, who based on setting continuity should not be there and on a scale which even pre-House of M wouldn't have done, but only for the purpose of having them be dead, get killed or otherwise shown suffering.

It starts to break the suspension of disbelief and turns what should be horrible and tragic moments into something that makes some readers roll their eyes just for how common, forced and artifical it started to feel. Because there is no nuance, finesse and not enough downtime between them anymore. It became "just wednesday". Another X-men comic in 2016, another scene of pointless tragic deaths of mutants who came out of nowhere and will never be brought up again (contrast the Mutant Massacre).

With such darkness induced appathy is it any wonder some people could no longer take it serious?

Though on the flipside this can also be the exact same problem for some readers with the current status quo, merely inverted. Because just like how writers pre HOX/POX snapped mutants into existence to have them die and/or suffer during the post House of M status quo, Hickman suddently snapped a wonderfull-high-tech-economic-power-house-island nation into existence with no build up, while also drastically changing the history of multiple long term X-men characters and mutants go from near extinct for the third time in less than 4 years to suddently being totaly awesome and ahead of everyone else (and unironicaly proclaiming themself to be).

And just like with the previous status quo, we once again see writers creating large quantity of nameless random mutants, only this time to be cheering backround fillers. In Rosenbergs run mutants were nearly gone. Now there are suddently so many of them again that they allready are adults who act like they were mutants for years and have kids of their own, with no suggestion of them being revived genoshans.

There was no time of transition from one state to the other. It just happened because the writers said so. The previous status quo just got flipped on it's head: "Mutants are awesome now and better than ever before. Look they can even combine their powers to work like machinery... that surely isn't just a setup for a downfall and hubris story, which will just end with everything broken again!".

Too many old mares, will make one start to look even a gift horse in the mouth.

Some fair points but I think it still mainly leaves out most of those events were not created by the x-line but they had to deal with them the best they could. The stories felt out of nowhere because they all were. Black bolt dropped the gas, decimation started in avengers but ended in X-Men. Civil war started over there. So is it a surprise characters had to be created for stories when the other line basically said you only have 198 characters left go build a world and tell stories while every other franchise got to thrive and ignore the stories that should have actually been impacting their books. Instead x-fans got dumped with all the clean up and the x-office got dumped with all the universe problems while the main heroes got to just do their thing.

So krakoa is no more out of no where than all the rest of the stuff except for once it was in mutant's favor and they didn't have to kill or try to kill another franchise to get there. Also if you read gillies run with the 5 lights and the end of avengers/X-Men you saw all the lights starting to come back on because mutants were still being born but any new instances of the x-gene was erased from all realities. So it was basically just reawakening the x-gene in a far less dangerous way than all the hidden inhumans that were transformed across the planet.

[Kingdom X]

Some fair points but I think it still mainly leaves out most of those events were not created by the x-line but they had to deal with them the best they could. The stories felt out of nowhere because they all were. Black bolt dropped the gas, decimation started in avengers but ended in X-Men. Civil war started over there. So is it a surprise characters had to be created for stories when the other line basically said you only have 198 characters left go build a world and tell stories while every other franchise got to thrive and ignore the stories that should have actually been impacting their books. Instead x-fans got dumped with all the clean up and the x-office got dumped with all the universe problems while the main heroes got to just do their thing.

So krakoa is no more out of no where than all the rest of the stuff except for once it was in mutant's favor and they didn't have to kill or try to kill another franchise to get there. Also if you read gillies run with the 5 lights and the end of avengers/X-Men you saw all the lights starting to come back on because mutants were still being born but any new instances of the x-gene was erased from all realities. So it was basically just reawakening the x-gene in a far less dangerous way than all the hidden inhumans that were transformed across the planet.

What's crazy about the 198 is that it's still a ton of characters for a franchise. Plus all the semi-popular to popular characters that were depowered didn't just go away so writers either found a way to use them as non-mutants (Dani, Jubilee, and Prodigy) or just found roundabout ways to repower them (Polaris). By the time Krakoa came around with an actual solution to repower mutants the vast majority of them had already gotten their powers back. Also... Marvel higher-ups could have just put down a mandate to stop making new mutant characters. They didn't actually have to do an in-universe extinction story.

The less said about the Inhumans plot the better. I actually started following comics during the Marvel Now era and remember getting all these back issues to fully understand the X-verse. I was so excited to see what would happen to the line after Secret Wars now that I was officially a comic book fan and that mutants weren't going extinct anymore. And then we got another extinction event that was part Decimation, part Legacy Virus, and all terrible. I was honestly crushed.

[Jackraow21]

These moments for me…

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… but I’m a dad, so I guess they just strike the right chord.

[Ultimate Captain America]

...and this time, in mutant heaven there are no revolving doors, but instead pearly gates.