The Shaman King vs Martian Manhunter

[Firefist Norrin]

All of Hao's feats in the Great Spirit are applicable. We are using composite feats for him.

This is Pre-Crisis J'onn. Let's restrict Fernus for now because that seems like overkill.

Win is by KO. Both are in character. They start off 500 feet apart in a desert.

Who takes it?

[Sol_M]

Hao, post fusion with the Great Spirit, is essentially the embodiment of the afterlife, so I don't know if he can actually die.

How good are Pre Crisis J'onn's TP feats?

[Firefist Norrin]

Hao can be knocked out though, right? Didn't expect J'onn to be able to kill him.

As far as telepathy feats, the guy has alot. I hate to do it, but I'll just dump the link to his respect thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthre...m_source=share

[Nik Hasta]

If Pre-Crisis J'onn is even half as powerful as his Post Crisis self then he should be able to just turn Hao's mind off.

Hao is phenomenally powerful but, amusingly enough, once he became the Shaman King he actually lost his own telepathic abilities so, if anything, this is easier for J'onn than regular Hao.

[Nik Hasta]

Hao can be knocked out though, right? Didn't expect J'onn to be able to kill him.

As far as telepathy feats, the guy has alot. I hate to do it, but I'll just dump the link to his respect thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthre...m_source=share

The feats in this thread seem to be mostly Post Crisis J'onn but prior to the Nu52 era.

I thought we were using Pre-Crisis?

[Firefist Norrin]

The feats in this thread seem to be mostly Post Crisis J'onn but prior to the Nu52 era.

And what if we keep composite Spirit of Fire/Great Spirit Hao? Does that change the outcome?

I thought we were using Pre-Crisis?

Funnily enough, I mixed up the terminology once again. I meant Post-Crisis.

[Nik Hasta]

Funnily enough, I mixed up the terminology once again. I meant Post-Crisis.

Gotcha, yeah J'onn just mentally dominates Hao for a ten count.

[Firefist Norrin]

Gotcha, yeah J'onn just mentally dominates Hao for a ten count.

Who wins if neither uses telepathy?

[Nik Hasta]

Who wins if neither uses telepathy?

Well... that makes things a lot harder for J'onn.

Once joined with the Great Spirit, Hao no longer has a physical body and is literally the embodiment of the afterlife.

J'onn is much faster than him but there's not really much he can do to him. He probably can't physically touch him because only shaman can interact with spirits with spiritual power, he can't kill him because Hao literally is the concept of death.

Whereas, Hao can through a solar flare at him or detonate a star in his face or open a black hole.

Like if Hao had a physical body, J'onn would tear him apart in an instant but he doesn't so there's not really a lot J'onn can do to him without telepathy.

[Steel Inquisitor]

How is the Great Spirit and Hao against telepathy? That's J'onn's trump card.

[Nik Hasta]

How is the Great Spirit and Hao against telepathy? That's J'onn's trump card.

That's already been discussed. I advise you to read the thread.

OP is now positing a no telepathy battle.