X-MEN/FF #1 REVIEW 2.0 (Spoilers)

[spirit2011]

Ok, Havok.

talk about it with sociology

[Fokken]

I forgot that Franklin spent time at the Massachusetts Academy with Generation X.

[starduck]

A more thoughtful approach from the Krakoans would have been to send Ororo with T'Challa and Kate, have them escort the whole FF to the island and tour them around together. But then we wouldn't get a fun superhero tussle as easily. It is a shame they barely acknowledged Ororo's relationship to the FF(she and Ben's conversation did telegraph a familiarity and level of respect), which is the most developed of all the X-Men really.

Yeah, they should have treated it more like a school tour... I guess and less like a recruiting

[PrezValentine]

It was good. The X-Men only come out as straight up villains if you had previous gripes with the Krakoa storyline. Bringing Magneto in and having Reed arguing about violence after Sue attacked Erik is just plot related stupidity that I can accept, I guess. Since it started balanced, and given Brevoort's history, I'd guess it will end with the X-Men coming out as evil like Doom.

Victor's appearance was great and it was excellent seeing Val and Franklin having such a strong bond. I must say I can't give Reed a rest for what he pulled on Franklin. Maybe it's because my father and I despise each other completely, but I don't buy this "I only did it for your own good, trust me, I know better". Parents can **** up too and mistake "I'm only doing it to validate what I think" for "I'm doing it because I love you".
8/10

[Foon4000]

I really like what this is setting up between Franklin/F4 and the X-world (is Franklin doomed to be the Pete Buttigieg of mutantkind?) BUT I've hated the Dodson's art since Generation X and in principle can't like anything they work on. Keep them and the Greg Lands of the world on cover art only.

[Glio]

talk about it with sociology

I simply have no interest in arguing with someone who hates anything other than encumbing Jean Grey.

What is a culture is somewhat complex and yes, a gene can create a culture. Almost anything can form a culture. Being a mutant causes you to be hunted and killed, which makes them have a similar social context among them.

LGBT culture was defined as a response to police persecution. There is also a deaf culture. In the context of the Marvel Universe, without a doubt, yes, being a mutant is being part of a culture.

[starduck]

It was good. The X-Men only come out as straight up villains if you had previous gripes with the Krakoa storyline. Bringing Magneto in and having Reed arguing about violence after Sue attacked Erik is just plot related stupidity that I can accept, I guess. Since it started balanced, and given Brevoort's history, I'd guess it will end with the X-Men coming out as evil like Doom.

Victor's appearance was great and it was excellent seeing Val and Franklin having such a strong bond. I must say I can't give Reed a rest for what he pulled on Franklin. Maybe it's because my father and I despise each other completely, but I don't buy this "I only did it for your own good, trust me, I know better". Parents can **** up too and mistake "I'm only doing it to validate what I think" for "I'm doing it because I love you".
8/10

I don't think the X'men came across as particularly evil. Just a bit shady as Reed told them. I just think Magneto was the worst possible choice for a diplomacy team with the F4. You know what with the whole Onslaught mess and his general reputation among non-mutant heroes

[yogaflame]

Somehow the Dodsons have just won me over through sheer tenacity. There's something familiar about their art, and yes, it goes all the way back to Storm's first solo mini and Gen X in the 90's. I really loved seeing the Krakoans under his pencils, even if his style is a bit muted or something compared to a Larraz or whomever.

[yogaflame]

I don't think the X'men came across as particularly evil. Just a bit shady as Reed told them. I just think Magneto was the worst possible choice for a diplomacy team with the F4. You know what with the whole Onslaught mess and his general reputation among non-mutant heroes

Especially with him spouting off the supremacist rhetoric. Like, really, Erik, calm down.

[Shankarma1]

They made it pretty clear they weren't about to leave without him. Everything from that "birthright and diplomatic immunity" BS to the condescending tone from both Erik and Xavier showed that they clearly did not know how to handle the situation. They did everything they possibly could to ensure that they'd be catching hands from Sue. She didn't overreact. She acted like a parent.

Sue and reed are all ways condescending but over all both sides were wrong with how the situation was handle but that seems to be the norm in super hero groups

[Ambaryerno]

Laura would have been a better choice. Despite being raised a killer and raised without social skills, she was trusted enough to babysit the Richards kids.

That would both make too much sense and require Marvel actually using her in a meaningful role in an event.

[Michael Watkins]

Reed and Sue remind me of rich celebrities who adopt children from exotic places as if they were collectables.

[Rosebunse]

I really loved this issue, especially since it brought up some great points from the FF. For a lot of people, it really is too close to being Genosha 2.0. To ignore that is a huge folly on the part of the X-Men, especially since they ate making a lot of enemies recently.

And then you have Reed's observation that, yeah, Xavier could wait for Franklin to come to them in just a few short years, but they're coming to him in force.

Yes, we know Xavier says that it's because Franklin's powers are depleting, but does anyone really believe that? We know that Xavier and Magneto sre keeping the real facts about the future from the X-Men, but there's also the very real fact that Xavier doesn't seem to really buy into Krakoa nearly as much as he is telling people.

[Rosebunse]

Reed and Sue remind me of rich celebrities who adopt children from exotic places as if they were collectables.

How? There's plenty of reason to be worried about Krakoa and the X-Men are acting very, very differently than they normally would. On top of that, just shutting themselves away is shown in Moira's futures not to really work.

[spirit2011]

I simply have no interest in arguing with someone who hates anything other than encumbing Jean Grey.

What is a culture is somewhat complex and yes, a gene can create a culture. Almost anything can form a culture. Being a mutant causes you to be hunted and killed, which makes them have a similar social context among them.

LGBT culture was defined as a response to police persecution. There is also a deaf culture. In the context of the Marvel Universe, without a doubt, yes, being a mutant is being part of a culture.

One of the first thing I learned on sociology is that a chinese kid being raised on Mexico, won't be chinese it will be mexican. They will speak spanish and live like a mexican. Unless there is a big chinese culture bubble, but even that the kid will ended up with lots of mexican culture ingrained on him.

Other day a girl told that she was adopted by her chinese step father, he even took her into China to meet his relatives there.

People often go far beyong genes to form relationships