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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenixx9 View Post
    Are mutants simply "watered-down" Eternals/Eternals variants but without the cosmic might?
    No. They are a different species like inhumans and deviants. They all come from proto-humans, but were divided.

    The eternals were given powers, whereas humans would be given a boost and would progressively evolve until they reached omega level status over time.

    Also, inhumans are clones of other species, but hidden in human bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    It works in reverse as well. "Mutants are doing bad things to survive, so humans were in the right all along to do the bad things they did to them in the past." What does that sound like? I understand that you may be trying to say "two wrongs don't make a right," but when the initial wrongdoing goes unaddressed, it sounds more like you're condemning the wronged for fighting back, like a lot of so-called "zero tolerance" policies carried out in a lot of schools in America that punish the bullied for physically confronting their bullies themselves instead of turning to a system that fails over and over to hold the bullies accountable in the first place.
    But the issue is that the X-Men are supposed to be heroes. And what's happening isn't very heroic.

    I mean, what did Blindfold do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebunse View Post
    But the issue is that the X-Men are supposed to be heroes. And what's happening isn't very heroic.

    I mean, what did Blindfold do?
    That is your opinion just to be clear, The X-men and Krakoa are doing many heroic things.

    PS- No where has Xavier and Magneto said they aren't bring back precogs that was Moria suggestion, Both of their egos are on overdrive and being who they are they are going to ignore Moria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Force de Phenix View Post
    No. They are a different species like inhumans and deviants. They all come from proto-humans, but were divided.

    The eternals were given powers, whereas humans would be given a boost and would progressively evolve until they reached omega level status over time.

    Also, inhumans are clones of other species, but hidden in human bodies.
    Thanks! It can get confusing!

    Now, would Omega Level Mutants be equal to Eternals, or are Eternals still more powerful? So for example, would Jean Grey be more powerful than Sersi in TP/TK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenixx9 View Post
    Thanks! It can get confusing!

    Now, would Omega Level Mutants be equal to Eternals, or are Eternals still more powerful? So for example, would Jean Grey be more powerful than Sersi in TP/TK?
    Sersi and Exodus were basically fought each other to a standstill. An Eternals combat ability is dependent on their training and experience, all Eternals have the same powers but most don't bother to master more than the basics and the ones who do train tend to focus on a specific power and neglect the rest of their abilities.
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    Eternals are tough, but the greatest mutants are their equals or superiors. Apocalypse used to fight a whole pack of them at a time. Their best can't really compare to the likes of the high end Omegas(who give the Constructs a run for their money).
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    I think the OP is confusing evolution with progress.

    Evolution is the process by which species change over time and develop into new species through natural selection. If humans were to change into a less-intelligent or more violent species than we are right now that would still be evolution. Our large brains are an advantage for survivability, but a change in conditions which causes natural selection to favor brute strength over smarts would result in our evolving along those lines instead.

    Progress is the process by which a society develops and becomes more humane or more technologically and socially advanced. Evolutionary biology has little to do with it.

    Star Trek TNG made that mistake, calling 24th century humans more 'evolved' when all that really changed were on the social and technological levels. DS9 later showed how when you take away their creature comforts and Starfleet's ideal humans became just as violent as any 20th century human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebunse View Post
    But the issue is that the X-Men are supposed to be heroes. And what's happening isn't very heroic.

    I mean, what did Blindfold do?
    She died. That's what she did.

    Quote Originally Posted by sunofdarkchild View Post
    I think the OP is confusing evolution with progress.

    Evolution is the process by which species change over time and develop into new species through natural selection. If humans were to change into a less-intelligent or more violent species than we are right now that would still be evolution. Our large brains are an advantage for survivability, but a change in conditions which causes natural selection to favor brute strength over smarts would result in our evolving along those lines instead.

    Progress is the process by which a society develops and becomes more humane or more technologically and socially advanced. Evolutionary biology has little to do with it.

    Star Trek TNG made that mistake, calling 24th century humans more 'evolved' when all that really changed were on the social and technological levels. DS9 later showed how when you take away their creature comforts and Starfleet's ideal humans became just as violent as any 20th century human.
    Deep Space 9 as a whole did a very good job of deconstructing the utopian aspirations of Star Trek's Federation as just that --- aspirations. Humans are still humans, at the end of the day, for better or worse --- and sometimes, it's worse that we end up seeing. Krakoa could go down the same path, ultimately, because while mutants may be more secure than they've ever had the chance to be, security doesn't change who people are at their core, human or mutant.
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