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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cool Thatguy View Post
    BoP is traditionally set all over the world, actually. And while Gordon et all have appeared, they weren't cast members like Montoya is. Jim appeared in Justice League, didn't make him a member
    Dixon's run and Simone's first run were very much in the international heist and spy style. But even so, the team was based in Gotham from the beginning, and their stories set there became more prominent during the evolution of the Oracle era. With the Batgirl era, they became even more rooted to Gotham.

    And heck, this is merely the story of the formation of the Birds of Prey team. It might go in a myriad directions after this, if WB wants to.

    Complaining about Montoya being part of movie-BoP is just silly.
    «Speaking generally, it is because of the desire of the tragic poets for the marvellous that so varied and inconsistent an account of Medea has been given out» (Diodorus Siculus, The Library of History [4.56.1])

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    Again I don't hate Harley as well. I would totally go to see a Harley focused good movie like the Joker without messing up with BoP. Or Gotham Sirens if the other two were not chopped down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cool Thatguy View Post
    My standard is that they contribute to the plot and cast in equal measure, and be allowed to demonstrate their full character.

    Cass didn't get that. You could have named her character literally anything else.

    A question for everyone in this thread.

    If there is a sequel, does anyone expect the BoP to be back?

    And if this movie is deemed a failure by the higher ups, which character(s) will have that hung around their necks? Harley? Or the BoP?

    I feel we all know the answer, and that's why I don't care for this movie.
    This, it's a Harley Quinn project from the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cool Thatguy View Post
    As the Question, she's a hero. And as Renee, as you point out, she's just a supporting character.
    She's a lot more than that in this movie. Even if she weren't, why is that a problem?

    Every genre has its cliches, but 'burned out cop' doesn't bring anything to a superhero movie.
    Somebody better tell that to Matt Reeves since he's still using Gordon in his Batman movie.

    "Burned out cop" brings the perspective of someone in law enforcement who has issues with the hero's actions but is also aware of the legal system's flaws.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Cool Thatguy View Post
    My standard is that they contribute to the plot and cast in equal measure, and be allowed to demonstrate their full character.

    Cass didn't get that. You could have named her character literally anything else.
    Look, I feel your pain as a fellow Cass fan but she is not the only minority character in this film.

    A question for everyone in this thread.

    If there is a sequel, does anyone expect the BoP to be back?
    Why shouldn't they be?

    And if this movie is deemed a failure by the higher ups, which character(s) will have that hung around their necks? Harley? Or the BoP?

    I feel we all know the answer, and that's why I don't care for this movie.
    In a perfect world neither of them should be blamed for the movie's failures. Frankly, this feels like senseless reason to dislike this movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    She's a lot more than that in this movie. Even if she weren't, why is that a problem?
    Because her story isn't as compelling as other members of the cast. She wastes screen time that could have gone to Cass or Huntress.

    In a superhero movie, Renee is basic

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Somebody better tell that to Matt Reeves since he's still using Gordon in his Batman movie.

    "Burned out cop" brings the perspective of someone in law enforcement who has issues with the hero's actions but is also aware of the legal system's flaws.
    That perspective in a superhero movie is best reserved for supporting cast, which Gordon will be

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Look, I feel your pain as a fellow Cass fan but she is not the only minority character in this film.
    Yet the only one to get major focus was the one that was race swapped.

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    Why shouldn't they be?
    Because the movie may perform below expectations

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    In a perfect world neither of them should be blamed for the movie's failures. Frankly, this feels like senseless reason to dislike this movie.
    We don't live in a perfect world. The president of the United States alone is a hint of that

    If you can't do them justice, then you shouldn't do them at all.

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    I feel like the film did everyone except Cass justice. The complaints for everyone else are just quibbles.

    I want more comic accurate costumes for Canary and Huntress but that's...really easy to do.

    If race changes are always bad and Canary should only be white, someone needs to tell the billion dollars Aquaman made that Momoa can't play him anymore. Or that Sam Jackson shouldn't play Fury because Fury is white.

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    So actually the Canary's dress and hairstyle in this movie was partly based on Vixen in the comic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cool Thatguy View Post
    If you can't do them justice, then you shouldn't do them at all.
    Who determines that?


    And if this movie is deemed a failure by the higher ups, which character(s) will have that hung around their necks? Harley? Or the BoP?
    A movie that is $50 million from $200 million and only 12 weeks in theaters would hardly be viewed as a failure with Spring Break coming up.

    And China is off the grid for medical reasons-so that money is gone.

    If the only folks complaining are toxic comic book fans-why would they blame Harley or BOP?

    Since those fans can not point out what source material the film should have used since there are 30+ trades.



    Because the movie may perform below expectations
    What are those expectations? Has someone public stated them????

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    I really enjoyed this film! I was surprised by how efficient the characterization was. Every character felt fully realized in spite of not being front and center for a good chunk of the film.

    Cassandra Cain's depiction was the only disappointment for me--I feel like, as has already been said, they could have created an original character to fit that role and it wouldn't have made a difference. The character works in the context of the film but doesn't resemble her comic book counterpart in the slightest--they actually seemed to have taken the 'raised by an assassin' part of her origin and transferred it to Huntress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Somebody better tell that to Matt Reeves since he's still using Gordon in his Batman movie.

    "Burned out cop" brings the perspective of someone in law enforcement who has issues with the hero's actions but is also aware of the legal system's flaws.
    Jim Gordon was this in Batman Begins, before Batman gave him hope.

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    Cassandra Cain's depiction was the only disappointment for me--I feel like, as has already been said, they could have created an original character to fit that role and it wouldn't have made a difference. The character works in the context of the film but doesn't resemble her comic book counterpart in the slightest--they actually seemed to have taken the 'raised by an assassin' part of her origin and transferred it to Huntress.
    That's been Bertinelli's origin from conception, Huntress is super faithful in their rendition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    That's been Bertinelli's origin from conception, Huntress is super faithful in their rendition.
    Was she trained by an assassin? For some reason I was thinking she mostly self-taught. I'm probably wrong about this, I'm mostly going off vague memories of 90s comics and her JLU appearances.

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