Legion of Super-Heroes (LoSH) Appreciation 2020

[kcekada]

Now, if it was stealth cancelled (something I highly doubt) then could mean: than Bendis was never interested in a Legion book, and he just wanted them to have a background book for Jon Kent to have adventures in the future? I don't think so. That would had been a huge step back for the Legion.

Unless he was lying, I think that Bendis legitimately was very interested in writing Legion. I don't see how a new number one could possibly help -- unless Bendis finally starts moving the stories along at a quick pace, and starts getting more in depth with the rest of the team and less focus on Jon Kent.

[kcekada]

Thaks for your perspective on the situation with Bendis, Hcmarvel. I think the DC people who choose Bendis for the Legion had in mind the guy who wrote Ultimate Spider-man would be a good fit to write a team of teenagers.

If that is the case, those people don't get the Legion. Legion is no more a book about teenagers than X-Men is. People often compare New Teen Titans to X-Men -- most of that is due to the Wolfman/Perez era (any other era of the Titans is just woefully inadequate). The truth, however, is that X-Men and the Legion are probably closer in spirit. Even Teen Titans focused less on the teen in Wolfman's era.

[madmodpoetgod]

I can't stand Bendis's Legion and will never forgive him simply because of the damage he had done with this Legion relaunch. He effed it out big time.

[Mike]

He effed it out big time.

That's what he does.

[Korath]

I can't stand Bendis's Legion and will never forgive him simply because of the damage he had done with this Legion relaunch. He effed it out big time.

yes, how dared he actually made the vision of the Future for the Legion something not out of the Fifties !

And he changed Dawnstar's costume, now she doesn't look like a striper from a Native Casino ! What an insult !

[Thor-Ul]

yes, how dared he actually made the vision of the Future for the Legion something not out of the Fifties !

And he changed Dawnstar's costume, now she doesn't look like a striper from a Native Casino ! What an insult !

That is a very gratuitous, caricaturized and despective way to put it. If you think that is a the core of the rejection of a number of fans to this iteration, you don't understand the problem and neither want to understand. Legion fans are used to the changing costumes in the Legion. I have read noone asking for that. If something, people have asked for Dawnstar's real wings and not "spíritual wings". It seems like Bendis have something against characters with feathered wings, because always find a way to take them out of their characters (remember how kid Angel got energy wings in his x-men run).

As the futuristic landscape also changed as the time and perception about the future changed too. Architechture and perception of the future is something than can be easly adaptable in this books. It was not necesary a whole reboot for such thing.

The most fiftys idea I have seen in the legion book lately is the Legion as the adventure field camp for Superboy along a bunch of futuristic teenagers. Sound familiar? The pretty pictures can trick you, but this is not a step forward but several steps back.

[kcekada]

yes, how dared he actually made the vision of the Future for the Legion something not out of the Fifties !

And he changed Dawnstar's costume, now she doesn't look like a striper from a Native Casino ! What an insult !

What a ridiculous comment. That's like saying X-Men look like a group from the Sixties -- just because that's when they debuted.

[Sutekh]

yes, how dared he actually made the vision of the Future for the Legion something not out of the Fifties !

That's been done. In the 70s. And the 80s. And the 90s. And the 00s. Better than he did it.

And he changed Dawnstar's costume, now she doesn't look like a striper from a Native Casino ! What an insult !

A 'striper' is short for 'candy-striper,' a slang term for a hospital worker. I doubt that's what you meant.

Casinos are also not strip clubs, which you'll find out when you're older.

[ohfellow]

The last page of Legion #11 ends with the identical words as the last page of Action #1027:

"To Be Concluded..."

Since the Legion stories have not had titles, and the arcs have not had titles, and the book is juggling half a dozen separate story threads - what could "be concluded" mean, except the book itself?

That, and not a word from anyone, including no reassurance from Bendis, suggests strongly that the book has been cancelled.

I know DC loves to keep thing secret, much if not most of the time for no obvious reason. Marketing must have their theories - which obviously don't work that well, or they wouldn't be revamping so much now!

So, a question for any marketing experts who are reading: what could be the marketing purpose to not reassure the existing audience that the book is continuing?

On the other hand, arguing for the book's continuation, were the sales numbers. When Diamond's sales for DC were still being reported, I'm pretty sure Legion was selling in the 30,000 range, which is well above the range of all of the cancelled titles (which were 20,000 and below - sometimes VERY far below).

[Shadowcat]

I’m not giving up on this current Legion, because there’s a lot to be told. I just think it needs someone other than Bendis writing it.

[Thor-Ul]

The last page of Legion #11 ends with the identical words as the last page of Action #1027:

"To Be Concluded..."

Since the Legion stories have not had titles, and the arcs have not had titles, and the book is juggling half a dozen separate story threads - what could "be concluded" mean, except the book itself?

That, and not a word from anyone, including no reassurance from Bendis, suggests strongly that the book has been cancelled.

I doub it. After 12 it comes the two Future states issues. I think in april there will be a new number one. Still with Bendis at helm.

I know DC loves to keep thing secret, much if not most of the time for no obvious reason. Marketing must have their theories - which obviously don't work that well, or they wouldn't be revamping so much now!

Honestly I think it was DiDio who authorized this reboot. He is the one who loved revamping. and as in the new52 they didn't revamped the Legion, this was their chance.

So, a question for any marketing experts who are reading: what could be the marketing purpose to not reassure the existing audience that the book is continuing?

On the other hand, arguing for the book's continuation, were the sales numbers. When Diamond's sales for DC were still being reported, I'm pretty sure Legion was selling in the 30,000 range, which is well above the range of all of the cancelled titles (which were 20,000 and below - sometimes VERY far below).

That is something I also would to likte to know.

[Adset]

Thoughts on the post-Superboy, pre-Great Darkness Saga Legion?

I was born in 85 so I’m a “discovering the classic Legion decades late” reader, mostly in trades. I got the two Superboy and the LoSH hardcovers last year, as well as the Great Darkness/The Curse trades, but I’m wondering about the two-ish years that bridge the gap between Superboy leaving and things ramping up with Levitz. What’s the general consensus on this era?

I’m currently reading through them on DC Universe. Thus far it’s been mostly Conway, with a few DeMatties issues sprinkled in. Some Ditko art, which has been neat. It’s been mostly goofy fun — not the best classic Legion (IMO) but enjoyable enough. I’m currently at the introduction of the Dark Man.

Anyway, this Legion doesn’t seem to get talked about as much as others so I was curious.

[Overhazard]

I’m not giving up on this current Legion, because there’s a lot to be told. I just think it needs someone other than Bendis writing it.

I kind of have to give it to Bendis here, I think he knows that large teams and space books are his weaknesses (His X-Men and Guardians runs being examples), and he is trying to strengthen them. It just isn't really working for a lot of people. I think that Jeff Parker might have been a good choice for the book. He made me care about Agents of Atlas and Future Quest. Street Level stuff, singular characters like Naomi, that's more where Bendis shines.

[Zero Hunter]

yes, how dared he actually made the vision of the Future for the Legion something not out of the Fifties !

And he changed Dawnstar's costume, now she doesn't look like a striper from a Native Casino ! What an insult !

No now she is just an offensive sterotype. This is obviously the first version of the Legion you have ever read if you think this book is in any way good.

[caj]

Thoughts on the post-Superboy, pre-Great Darkness Saga Legion?

I was born in 85 so I’m a “discovering the classic Legion decades late” reader, mostly in trades. I got the two Superboy and the LoSH hardcovers last year, as well as the Great Darkness/The Curse trades, but I’m wondering about the two-ish years that bridge the gap between Superboy leaving and things ramping up with Levitz. What’s the general consensus on this era?

I’m currently reading through them on DC Universe. Thus far it’s been mostly Conway, with a few DeMatties issues sprinkled in. Some Ditko art, which has been neat. It’s been mostly goofy fun — not the best classic Legion (IMO) but enjoyable enough. I’m currently at the introduction of the Dark Man.

Anyway, this Legion doesn’t seem to get talked about as much as others so I was curious.

I would go ahead and read it, but be aware that it's not really all that good. Because of Superboy's absence, you do get an opportunity to get features on other members but the writing is very elementary.