Quote Originally Posted by Marvelgirl View Post
Not 100% convinced Joker should have been nominated for best picture. Philips got too carried way in making sure Phoenix delivered the performance of a lifetime that he forgot about the overall scope of the movie.
Do you mean you think the story of Joker did not really do enough?
Story-wise, I thought Joker was a pretty solid alternative universe take on how Joker became who he was, whilst setting up the origin of Bat-Bat.

Quote Originally Posted by Marvelgirl View Post
Joker is still a better nominated best picture movie than Black Panther....
Don't get me started on Black Panther....
I thought BP was one of the dumbest and weakest MCU films to date, and that it was only nominated because of the 95% black cast.

Quote Originally Posted by Marvelgirl View Post
and a cleaner win than Heath Ledger winning for Joker. I will give it that.
You think Phoenix was more worthy?
After first watching Joker 2019 I thought Phoenix was the best live action Joker ever, but then later... I realised that the full expression of The Joker's ideology can only be revealed when in contrast to Batman's, thus in a way, Ledger's portrayal is still better.