X-Men #6 review *spoilers* - "I want my wife back!"

[Kisinith]

I can't stop thinking about how badly Xavier and Magneto are treating Mystique. Yes, she has a past as a villain and traitor, among other things, but they aren't doing this with the other villains on Krakoa. Apocalypse, Sinister, and Exodus are just doing whatever they want manipulating people and living free. But using Raven and making these promises they know they aren't going to keep to get her to do their dirty work is shitty. Nothing about them looks good in this scenario.

She's getting screwed thats not really questionable. She isn't having her dead wife kept away from her because of her own past but because of what Destiny did in life 3 and because of her powers. However, that doesn't make Moira, Xavier and Magneto evil either, they do have valid reasons for their actions. Further, PoX #6 makes it pretty clear that Xavier and Magneto at least view the prohibition on resurrecting precogs as temporary. Its not evil to tell someone they have to wait, no matter how much they want something.

[guy_gardner]

I would hope that Xavier and Magneto wouldn't be so arrogant to not have some plan in the event Mystique or any of the more shady mutants get uppity....but then again, Xavier and Magneto are two of the most arrogant men in the Marvel Universe

here's hoping Cyclops and the rest of the proper X-Men have a plan in place, if all else fails

[Starfish]

Charles and Erik's response to a new Nimrod being built is to blackmail one of their least trustworthy associates into taking care of the issue for them. Even if Mystique doesn't double-cross them and succeeds in her mission to kills the lead scientist, there's no guarantee this will achieve more than delay the threat and inform Orchis they've been compromised, prompting them to relocate the projoct to a secret location. Krakoa's laws haven't prevented the X-Men from directly engaging Orchis installations in the past, as long as they do so with the intention to minimize human casualties, so why not immediately send a team of heavy hitters through the gate, ensuring the threat is neutralized and apprehending Orchis' human assets in the process? There isn't even a need to kill them, as they can simply be mind-wiped after some telepathic probing to make sure there aren't any more surprises Orchis has cooking up somewhere.

For all the resources at their disposal, Charles and Erik's approach just appears needlessly risky, and I can't imagine why they'd insist Mystique do this on her own unless it's specifically in order to put her in her place, potentially endangering mutantkind to stroke their egos.

[JB]

Charles and Erik's response to a new Nimrod being built is to blackmail one of their least trustworthy associates into taking care of the issue for them. Even if Mystique doesn't double-cross them and succeeds in her mission to kills the lead scientist, there's no guarantee this will achieve more than delay the threat and inform Orchis they've been compromised, prompting them to relocate the projoct to a secret location. Krakoa's laws haven't prevented the X-Men from directly engaging Orchis installations in the past, as long as they do so with the intention to minimize human casualties, so why not immediately send a team of heavy hitters through the gate, ensuring the threat is neutralized and apprehending Orchis' human assets in the process? There isn't even a need to kill them, as they can simply be mind-wiped after some telepathic probing to make sure there aren't any more surprises Orchis has cooking up somewhere.

For all the resources at their disposal, Charles and Erik's approach just appears needlessly risky, and I can't imagine why they'd insist Mystique do this on her own unless it's specifically in order to put her in her place, potentially endangering mutantkind to stroke their egos.

It's tricky because the entire team died while destroying Mother Mold. Orchis is surely prepared for another overt attack and it seems they still don't know that those X-Men they killed are back. I think stealth is key right now to keep the secret and there aren't many better at it than Raven.

As for the whole no killing/killing of humans, I forgot it was Raven who first brought up killing in self defense. Of course she would.

And although Raven is obviously getting "screwed", it's for reasons Charles and Erik can't tell her at this time. It's not like they're doing it for shits and giggles.

I also saw a comparison a few pages back with the Avengers and how they don't kill. Let us remember that the Avengers aren't the targets of a massive city of sentinels being built ONLY to kill mutants. On top of the Mother Mold. On top of mutant children being experimented on by Orchis. All of this was in production before Krakoa and why, because the humans received data that mutants may outnumber them in 20 years? Talk about paranoia, a poor use of resources, and desecration of a planet.

[Woozie]

Blindfold didn’t see Krakoa lmao

Rosenberg stated it was related to Krakoa. Everybody has known about the Krakoa situation for years

[Confuzzled]

She's getting screwed thats not really questionable. She isn't having her dead wife kept away from her because of her own past but because of what Destiny did in life 3 and because of her powers. However, that doesn't make Moira, Xavier and Magneto evil either, they do have valid reasons for their actions.

TBF why has Moira prohibited precogs from being resurrected again? If Life 10 is all about trying to unite Xavier, Magneto and Apocalypse and make them see past their differences and past misgivings (which has worked perfectly so far), then why can't she attempt the same with Destiny herself?

No, it does seem more like Moira is denying Irene paradise because of Life 3. It's a stretch to say precogs will definitely be a liability as opposed to help fortify Krakoa and mutantkind's defenses to the max. The weirdest part is that Xavier and Magneto are taking her at her word without bothering to question her demands or reasoning.

[yellow cyclone]

I can't stop thinking about how badly Xavier and Magneto are treating Mystique. Yes, she has a past as a villain and traitor, among other things, but they aren't doing this with the other villains on Krakoa. Apocalypse, Sinister, and Exodus are just doing whatever they want manipulating people and living free. But using Raven and making these promises they know they aren't going to keep to get her to do their dirty work is shitty. Nothing about them looks good in this scenario.

apoc, sinister and exodus all bring something to the table for krakoa and are smart enough to put aside their differences for the greater good. sinister is there for the same reasons as mystique, they want to keep their their enemies closer

but mystique is purely selfish

they'll bring back destiny eventually, PoX establishes that, the questions is will they forced to earlier by mystique screwing up them kicking the can down the road over and over

[Confuzzled]

Just realized how metaphorical Moira and Krakoa's forefathers doing everything they can to avoid "Destiny" is.

Well played, Mr. Hickman. Well played.

[useridgoeshere]

No, it does seem more like Moira is denying Irene paradise because of Life 3. It's a stretch to say precogs will definitely be a liability as opposed to help fortify Krakoa and mutantkind's defenses to the max. The weirdest part is that Xavier and Magneto are taking her at her word without bothering to question her demands or reasoning.

I think it's Life 3 But I hope it's also the fact that Moira likes being hidden. Reviving Destiny threatens her personal secrets, like being alive and her power. As well, someone like Mystique knowing what Moira is would be a disaster.

[Confuzzled]

they'll bring back destiny eventually, PoX establishes that,

This is in reference to?

[JB]

TBF why has Moira prohibited precogs from being resurrected again? If Life 10 is all about trying to unite Xavier, Magneto and Apocalypse and make them see past their differences and past misgivings (which has worked perfectly so far), then why can't she attempt the same with Destiny herself?

No, it does seem more like Moira is denying Irene paradise because of Life 3. It's a stretch to say precogs will definitely be a liability as opposed to help fortify Krakoa and mutantkind's defenses to the max. The weirdest part is that Xavier and Magneto are taking her at her word without bothering to question her demands or reasoning.

They did see inside Moira's head and that's why they trust her at such a high level. She said precogs will find her and right now she feels she needs to be hidden.

[Askani's Flame]

I haven't gotten to this ish yet, but is there any reason why if they know that Nimrod is being built that they don't just blow up the joint? Or send Daken or another assassin in an stop it? Or is it "reasons"?

[JB]

I haven't gotten to this ish yet, but is there any reason why if they know that Nimrod is being built that they don't just blow up the joint? Or send Daken or another assassin in an stop it? Or is it "reasons"?

My guess is because they know Orchis knows they know about Orchis' solar machinations.



They were caught by surprise last time.

[yellow cyclone]

This is in reference to?

They need Destiny back because that was the one condition Mystique made to work with them and their talk of them coming clean with everyone was made because Moira said what if Destiny tells eveyone the truth? to which they answered that someday they all deserve to learn the truth just like they did.

xavier/magneto know they can't hold off precogs forever. also it implies to me that other mutants will ask for the precog friends to be rez'd, like ruth for example

[Kisinith]

TBF why has Moira prohibited precogs from being resurrected again? If Life 10 is all about trying to unite Xavier, Magneto and Apocalypse and make them see past their differences and past misgivings (which has worked perfectly so far), then why can't she attempt the same with Destiny herself?

No, it does seem more like Moira is denying Irene paradise because of Life 3. It's a stretch to say precogs will definitely be a liability as opposed to help fortify Krakoa and mutantkind's defenses to the max. The weirdest part is that Xavier and Magneto are taking her at her word without bothering to question her demands or reasoning.

The issue was brought up in HoX/PoX and the reason Moira went back into hiding. If she dies everything gets wiped clean, everything is reset. In life 3 Destiny, aside from burning her to death, told her that her powers will now recognize Moira across lifetimes. They are keeping Destiny specifically, and precogs in general from, being resurrected right now because of that weakness. Xavier and Magneto also flat out stated that this and the secrecy and prohibition on precogs is a temporary thing.