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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebunse View Post
    Except that Moira clearly thinks that she's going to lose that anyways.
    Clearly, Hickman messed with Moira: first, by making her a mutant, then, by making her a soulless creature…

    Better staying dead than that…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    Clearly, Hickman messed with Moira: first, by making her a mutant, then, by making her a soulless creature…

    Better staying dead than that…
    Mutant and soulless is my goal in life

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebunse View Post
    Except that Moira clearly thinks that she's going to lose that anyways.
    I'm not following, friend. How so? I see she's afraid to die.

    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Speaking of Mystique, whatever happened to Psylocke messing with her brain? She became decent bc Betsy forced her via a TP lobotomy
    Kinda sorta decent, more in control of her maniac side but not a better person necessarily.



    God I loved that issue.
    Last edited by Jbenito; 02-17-2020 at 12:24 PM.
    Boop! Krakoa forever!

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    The problem that i see is that people want Moria and Destiny not to be in the wrong, but if the two want the same, if they are in the same team, What is the conflict ??

    Just Moira being angry about life 3 ??

    They have to have a divergence at some point, they dont want the same.

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    Psylocke calling someone a piece of trash lol

    Go on any mass killing sprees lately, Betsy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbenito View Post
    Kinda sorta decent, more in control of her maniac side but not a better person necessarily.



    God I loved that issue.
    Yeah, I think a lot of people interpreted what Betsy did as something similar to Inversion, and it wasn't. She did away with Mystique's mind and personality changing when she shape-shifted, if I remember correctly. It was supposed to help her be more consistent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbenito View Post
    I'm not following, friend. How so? I see she's afraid to die.



    Kinda sorta decent, more in control of her maniac side but not a better person necessarily.



    God I loved that issue.
    It really was an amazing showdown. I wanted them to f### after this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulsword323 View Post
    Yeah, I think a lot of people interpreted what Betsy did as something similar to Inversion, and it wasn't. She did away with Mystique's mind and personality changing when she shape-shifted, if I remember correctly. It was supposed to help her be more consistent.
    Correcto. The problem was that Raven's psyche kept getting splintered or something every time she shifted.

    Considering she likely has shifted may times since then, she could also be back to square one.

    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    It really was an amazing showdown. I wanted them to f### after this.
    That whole run was heroic hate sex waiting to happen. Betsy/Raven, Erik/Betsy, Monet/Creed, Betsy/Creed. Sexiest run ever.
    Boop! Krakoa forever!

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    Which reminds me, how's this for some foreshadowing?

    Boop! Krakoa forever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    It really was an amazing showdown. I wanted them to f### after this.
    Greg Land probably had the references ready for that. But alas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Morgan Le Fay attacked first and Apocalypse used Batman tactics to save the day and put Jamie Braddock in charge of Otherworld.

    Nothing wrong. Glory to Krakoa. Read the book please.
    I have read it and apocalypse sent Krakoa flowers to mess with Morgan’s magic and start a fight and tried to put a gate to Krakoa in her living room. He did use ‘tactics’ to make Jamie king and get Excalibur to help him, but a lot of it depended on people acting stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbenito View Post
    I'm not following, friend. How so? I see she's afraid to die.



    Kinda sorta decent, more in control of her maniac side but not a better person necessarily.



    God I loved that issue.
    I freaking love Betsy. She should talk like that to Apocalypse now when he starts being shady lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    Clearly, Hickman messed with Moira: first, by making her a mutant, then, by making her a soulless creature…

    Better staying dead than that…
    Is she soulless?
    Quote Originally Posted by Lapsus View Post
    The problem that i see is that people want Moria and Destiny not to be in the wrong, but if the two want the same, if they are in the same team, What is the conflict ??

    Just Moira being angry about life 3 ??

    They have to have a divergence at some point, they dont want the same.
    I do think we have to assume that some of the conflict between the two is based on fear, yes. Destiny is afraid of what Moira will do and Moira is afraid of Destiny for killing her and because she could easily figure out her plan.

    Now, where is the divergence? Destiny may not believe in the Instrumenality plan or she may be annoyed and mad that she can't be a part of it.

    Or it could be that Moira's plan is just bad. She doesn't believe that Krakoa will work, she truly believes that they're all fucked anyways, she doesn't want to die, and that creates a terribly desperate Moira who is a lot more unhinged than we think.

    What does this mean? This means that Moira's plan is very likely just as destructive as anything Destiny and Mystique could come up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebunse View Post
    Is she soulless?.
    Metaphorically, at least…
    Gone is the caring person that brightened up Uncanny X-men's days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    Metaphorically, at least…
    Gone is the caring person that brightened up Uncanny X-men's days.
    She'll be back now that she's free of the burden of being the hot ninja girl. Expect all that faux eastern philosophy and martial arts rigamaroo to melt away like butter in a skillet. She's flying around wearing the queen's flag!
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