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    Default Law stuff you wonder about in superhero universes?

    Superhero universes tend to gloss over legal stuff, leaving us to think about them ourselves. What are things you wonder?

    For me, I wonder how laws work in regards to families, the weird kind only possible in such settings. I was looking into the Summers-Grey family again and good lord would this be a legal nightmare.

    • For one, Cable is Cyclops’ son, but was raised in an alternate future and is decades older than him. How is that recognized in legal terms and rights?
    • For that matter where does cloning factor into this? Would Cable be related to Jean Grey through his birth mom Madelyne Pryor, her being Jean’s clone? What does that make Jean anyways?
    • Also, I do wonder about Rachel Summers and Nate Grey, who are both children of Scott and Jean but from alternate universes. Would they be recognized as being legally their kids? What about to each other, and Cable?
    • Don’t forget that Cable adopted a daughter named Hope and raised her to a young adult in the future before returning to the present. Cable, again, is Scott’s son... does that mean Scott is one of the world’s youngest grandpas?

    And this is just scratching the surface because there’s also the lost brother Vulcan who was raised by aliens and married one, and Cable also has a clone named Stryfe...

    But anyways it kind of makes you think. Superhero universes tend not to get into law too much because technically superheroes themselves should be illegal and it would be a mess to figure out, but it is amusing to consider. And this is just one example I can give.

    What are things you wonder? Discuss.

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    Can Rachel Summers and Nate Grey still be considered American citizens in the mainstream universe even though they are from an America in a different universe? They could be considered illegal immigrants since they are from another universe

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    Can ICE round up Superman and Supergirl as illegal aliens?

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    Hell is an actual place in the Marvel Universe, and resurrections in Marvel happen all the time in some way or another. It makes me wonder: If a villain dies and comes back before they get caught, does that qualify as fleeing the country to avoid legal punishment?

    Oh, and on a similar note (that was mentioned above), how are immigration laws affected by the existence of people from other universes who move to Earth-616? People such as the aforementioned Rachel and Nate, as well as Miles Morales, Gwen Stacy, Longshot, Lucas Bishop, America Chavez, and so on? Do they have to fill out paperwork or pass some kind of a test to be recognized as a citizen of the main Earth?

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    Can Nightmare be sued for nightmares?

    Can The Lords of Order be sued for a bad day at the casino?

    Can Thor, Hercules, The Black Panther, or The Eternals demand tax exemptions as religious institutions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zauriel View Post
    Can Rachel Summers and Nate Grey still be considered American citizens in the mainstream universe even though they are from an America in a different universe? They could be considered illegal immigrants since they are from another universe
    Nate comes from a universe where America does not exist so yes, he is an illegal immigrant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid View Post
    Hell is an actual place in the Marvel Universe, and resurrections in Marvel happen all the time in some way or another. It makes me wonder: If a villain dies and comes back before they get caught, does that qualify as fleeing the country to avoid legal punishment?

    Oh, and on a similar note (that was mentioned above), how are immigration laws affected by the existence of people from other universes who move to Earth-616? People such as the aforementioned Rachel and Nate, as well as Miles Morales, Gwen Stacy, Longshot, Lucas Bishop, America Chavez, and so on? Do they have to fill out paperwork or pass some kind of a test to be recognized as a citizen of the main Earth?
    Pretty sure the U.N formed A.R.M.O.R (Alternate Reality Monitoring and Operational Response) to deal with that.

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    Can Nightmare be sued for nightmares?

    Can The Lords of Order be sued for a bad day at the casino?

    Can Thor, Hercules, The Black Panther, or The Eternals demand tax exemptions as religious institutions?
    The Eternals are not gods or members of any religious organizations so they can't claim tax exempt status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norj View Post
    ...The Eternals are not gods or members of any religious organizations so they can't claim tax exempt status.
    Of course not, but they've been worshiped, if only by mistake. They could argue they're religious institutions as much as the Asgardians, Olympians, or any of the others. Disputing it would be like The Vatican claiming that Lutherans can't refer to themselves as Christians; arguable, but very difficult.

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    Do superhero battles constitue Acts of God for insurance purposes?

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    You all should visit Bob Ingersoll's column "The Law is a Ass": https://www.comicmix.com/author/bob-ingersoll/ He's a lawyer and comics fan, and pro. The column looks at legal issues in the worlds of comics.

    And the archive of the earlier incarnation of the column: http://www.worldfamouscomics.com/law/
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    Quote Originally Posted by seismic-2 View Post
    Can ICE round up Superman and Supergirl as illegal aliens?
    Yeah, for forged identities.

    Has anyone watched the film Coneheads?

    The Cone-headed aliens arrive in NYC without proper documentation and obtain false identities which got the attention of INS (the predecessor of ICE)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Do superhero battles constitue Acts of God for insurance purposes?
    Wonder whether that applies to deities in superhero comics.

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    Thor is not an American citizen, so why is ICE letting him reside in America? Just because he is royalty doesn't mean he is allowed to walk around in America. The U.S. government has no diplomatic relations with Asgard so Thor doesn't have diplomatic immunity.

    When Miguel Ohara aka Spider-Man 2099 was residing and working in NYC, he created a false identity and a false Social Security number. When Liz Osborn found out and threatened to report him to ICE, he convinced her not to inform the ICE.

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    Thor and Superman/girl are dichotomies between "authorized" and "able." Sure, ICE is authorized to treat them as illegal aliens, but able? Bon Chance Mr. ICE Agent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norj View Post


    The Eternals are not gods or members of any religious organizations so they can't claim tax exempt status.
    I recall that Eternals once posed as Gods of the Greco-Roman pantheon.

    Zuras = Jupiter/Zeus
    Makkari = Mercury/Hermes
    Thena = Minerva/Athena
    Ikaris =Apollo

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    If a superhero dies and has life insurance is there a waiting period before a payout since they usually come back to life.

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