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    Quote Originally Posted by Metal Sphere View Post
    Supervillains attempting genocide is nothing new. Orchis is not humanity. Krakoa's government 50% individuals who would love to exterminate humanity immediately. The Quiet Council is not mutantkind.

    Being soft on slurs and letting it fester as people grew up is how you get these frothing mad-dog anti-mutant clowns. Their human friends and family never challenged it, and so it grew. It's not a mistake they had the kid saying choosing that word to describe humans. They came from a human dominated place, they know what the correct term is. They're choosing to be a problem, and the interesting tale to tell would be where they're picking it up on the island.
    This. I just do not understand what people aren't getting about this.

    Hatred is like an infection over an open wound; if you don't apply some kind of treatment, it's just gonna spread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domino_Dare-Doll View Post
    And here's the thing; the humans who feel insulted by 'Flatscans'? They're gonna keep feeling insulted. They're gonna disengage at best or turn to the Orchis like at worse and mutants are still gonna be in the position they've been pushed into. It's not going to get better because there's still fuel for whatever misinformation people are already being fed about mutants. No, they shouldn't have to 'yes massah,' but how is not being an arse to a whole group of people that? Just not generalising is somehow a bad thing? I cannot understand this. Hold the people perpetuating the atrocities responsible, not everyone who's of their kin.
    It's not the mutants job to be the PR team of their species, they are allowed to feel anger towards their opressors and use a word that is pretty much a subversion of the names mutants are called by humans, stuff like "mutie/aberration/gene freak" but it has no actual power over it since mutants dont opress humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domino_Dare-Doll View Post
    And here's the thing; the humans who feel insulted by 'Flatscans'? They're gonna keep feeling insulted. They're gonna disengage at best or turn to the Orchis like at worse and mutants are still gonna be in the position they've been pushed into. It's not going to get better because there's still fuel for whatever misinformation people are already being fed about mutants. No, they shouldn't have to 'yes massah,' but how is not being an arse to a whole group of people that? Just not generalising is somehow a bad thing? I cannot understand this. Hold the people perpetuating the atrocities responsible, not everyone who's of their kin.
    And many humans will reach out and try to understand why a child would use such a word. At least I would hope so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferro View Post
    orchis literaly funded by pretty much every human organization trough the black market, its very much supported by humanity.
    and the fact you think thats how opression starts doesnt even deserve a reply over how juvenile and unimformed it is
    Then Apocalypse is mutantkind??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domino_Dare-Doll View Post
    This. I just do not understand what people aren't getting about this.

    Hatred is like an infection over an open wound; if you don't apply some kind of treatment, it's just gonna spread.
    yet it seems the only people dying from that wound are mutants, how interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferro View Post
    orchis literaly funded by pretty much every human organization trough the black market, its very much supported by humanity.
    and the fact you think thats how opression starts doesnt even deserve a reply over how juvenile and unimformed it is
    Please stop. Orchis is comprised of friggin' AIM and Hydra, man. Those are already scumbag terrorist organizations. They are not humanity. This argument you're putting forth is indefensible. You jumped to Sentinel City when I pointed out the implications that children are casually dropping racial slurs. As if people on the level of the Red Skull are in any way representative of an entire species. As if Apocalypse is representative of mutantdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by houndsofluv View Post
    in my mind the fact that both "sides" are pretty much done with each other's shit is where the nuance lies. in HOX we were introduced to the humans' existential anxiety surrounding potential extinction as well as the mutants coming to terms with the fact that its no longer sustainable to attempt to integrate into human society. Then the humans try to wipe em all out, meanwhile on the mutants end...What, one kid said flatscan? Compare the weight of each action. Premeditated genocide versus "fuck it, we'll just go live over here. and also give you medicine that cures any disease as long as you give us the bare minimum respect"
    That's not nuance, that's just an oversimplified "Us vs Them." Nuance means showing the shades between.

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    Not sure what's worse, people getting offended by a fictional insult, or boomers who compare "Ok boomer" to the N word....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metal Sphere View Post
    Please stop. Orchis is comprised of friggin' AIM and Hydra, man. Those are already scumbag terrorist organizations. They are not humanity. This argument you're putting forth is indefensible. You jumped to Sentinel City when I pointed out the implications that children are casually dropping racial slurs. As if people on the level of the Red Skull are in any way representative of an entire species. As if Apocalypse is representative of mutantdom.
    and shield and strike and by data pages funded by most of human goverments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domino_Dare-Doll View Post
    That's not nuance, that's just an oversimplified "Us vs Them." Nuance means showing the shades between.
    because it is, mutants have been alone in their struggle ever since decimation and even before, where have you been?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domino_Dare-Doll View Post
    That's not nuance, that's just an oversimplified "Us vs Them."
    no it really isn't. I mean, its up for interpretation but imo without nuance it would be "Us vs. Them, and one side is definitively right"....this is "Us vs. Them", yes, mutants have always been pit against humans, but we've been given space to understand why both sides have come to the point they have. Bam, nuance.

    I agree personally w/ the side of the mutants , based on what they've been through as a "society" of sorts I feel like their actions are justified and this kid saying flatscan as a throwaway joke is fine. You don't personally have to agree, but don't condemn the ideology running through the books as oversimplified just because you disagree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domino_Dare-Doll View Post
    That's not nuance, that's just an oversimplified "Us vs Them." Nuance means showing the shades between.
    There's "Some very fine people on both sides," right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferro View Post
    because it is, mutants have been alone in their struggle ever since decimation and even before, where have you been?
    Reading about where mutants had human allies. Mr and Mrs X, Champions, Magneto Wars, Cyclops ect. There were pockets of support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domino_Dare-Doll View Post
    That's not nuance, that's just an oversimplified "Us vs Them." Nuance means showing the shades between.
    The latest X-Force has a great deal of nuance. Did you check it out? Domino shined in it.



    She's watching guard over a human woman speaking about her theories as a mutant sympathizer. She's doing this because humans that support mutants are being killed. She and Sage work to track down the assassin and not a single mutant was killed in the issue. It was 100% about protecting humans.
    Boop! Krakoa forever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferro View Post
    and shield and strike and by data pages funded by most of human goverments.
    Yeah, ex-SHIELD and ex-Strike folks. Let's not forget Hammer, or that the organization is overwhelmingly comprised of AIM members. Then we have things like Xeno that killed an entire airliner's worth of people to get a few meat puppets onto Krakoa. These are insane terrorists who don't value life very much. Ferro, you're not going to like where Hickman is going to take the X-Men if this is your reaction to little scenes like this. If you've read his Fantastic Four or Avengers you'd know his runs are not for people who are too attached to teams and characters as clean, wholesome, and righteous.

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