"Danielle... I intend to do something rash and violent." - Betsy Braddock
Krakoa, Arakko, and Otherworld forever!
I dont think that a mutant as old as Apocalypse can change that easily.
Deep down im sure that he still follow his old views and prefer the stronger over the weak.
At the same time, he is not stupid he has time and he have bigger concerns.
I guess it's just sort of hard for me to really see Apocalypse as a serious character. When I got into comics, he was dead. And for most of the time I've read comics, he's been dead and was something of a boogeyman for the X-Men as a whole. It's still weird tk actually see him.
Damn, when I got into comics, a lot of characters were dead.
Apocalypse has always been like Thanos Jr. He's supposed to be a big deal, but he's been jobbed so many times by so many random characters he's hard to see as a threat. Hell, Rogue killed him like a chump once already.
The problem with the term is that it was coined and popularized by groups outright trying to commit genocide of the human race. Its not quite the same as 'whitey' or 'cracker' because the people who invented and used the term were using it as justification for supremacy and murder.
Personally, this has been my problem with the X-men for years now. They really haven't felt like they were fighting for everyone, and whenever they had a problem they turned to their villains for help, to the point where their ideals felt like an in-name-only type of thing. This is entirely my impression, so I understand if others are OK with it or OK with the justifications they gave. The main reason it happened was because of the stupid Disney-Fox thing that kept the X-men from interacting with the larger Marvel world, but seeing them constantly go to the Hellfire Club, Emma (when she was full villain), Dark Beast and the like annoyed me to no end. Its not that they didn't collaborate with people who didn't share their ideals, its that they collaborated with them so often they didn't even seem moral. One week Emma Frost was bombing cities around the world, and the next she was having catty adventures with Iceman. What?
So when Apocalypse and the like showed up, I was like, AGAIN?! And now they've upped the ante with complete monsters working with them. But its OK, because they just want to help mutants too now, so we're going to look the other way on all the terrible things they've ever done. And again, I understand if other people don't feel the same way. Its a HUGE pet peeve of mine, and it underminds my ability to view that as heroes, or even as moral people. If you're working with the likes of Apocalypse and Sinister, then I want you to fail on principle, because just working with them makes you a worse person by association. Or at least, that's my thinking.
Magneto led the X-Men for years in the 80's, an era where they also were associated with the Hellfire club. Hickman basically made everyone from A.I.M. to provokers of mass genocide like Ex Nihilo and Abyss part of the Avengers in his run. I don't really see it as a new thing or an exclusively X-Men thing.
The X-Men have allied with their enemies for decades.
Was there not a comment from Emma actually lumping human and mutant men together in Marauders?
What if Emma helped Mystique ressurect Irene
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"Danielle... I intend to do something rash and violent." - Betsy Braddock
Krakoa, Arakko, and Otherworld forever!
But that is something that we, the readers, know, not the rest.
Publicly what everyone has done is:
Apocalypse has helped stabilize the powers of Rictor and Rogue and has expanded Krakoa.
Sinister has helped create the mutant resurrection protocol, got Mojo to give television in Krakoa and helped the Fallen Angels to save humans.
Shaw, Exodus and Mystique have done nothing publicly, neither bad nor good.
So someone a child said something in character and after that we get "are mutants all evil now" that has more or less taken over this thread is not something a little more? agree to disagree than. And "outsized, disrespectful, and intended to silence"? I would call what happened in this thread simply disagreeing with something and saying so.
But we agree on the "grey, eye-brow raising" stuff. I want more of that^^
Last edited by lowfyr; 02-15-2020 at 06:29 AM.