Shouldn't AI Rights have been settled by now in the Marvel U?

[Anthony W]

There's Dazzler

...And Lila Cheney as well but they never came off as mutants who "broke through" You can make an argument that The Beast fits that role due to his Avengers membership (where he was actually a fun character) and his friendship with Wonderman. Remember when Beast and Wonderman were best friends?

[MyriVerse]

Yeah, where's our mutant Elton?

Beast is loved.
Angel is loved.
And there's Dazzler.
Cyclops had a very devoted human following when he was talking about some revolution or something.
The X-Men have been considered celebs in places like France and Japan (heck, Sunfire is/was their national hero).

TBH, the whole hate thing comes across as more of a lie than threat.

[jackolover]

They haven't settled mutant rights, or really dealt with the legal status of Inhumans or Atlanteans, let alone Deviants, Eternals, etc. so I don't think the UN in the Marvel Universe is all that up on this stuff.

Especially when dealing with the, like three or four 'machine people' out there. Quick Jocasta, Vision, Jim Hammond and Machine Man, use your vast lobbying arm to get Congress to legislate on this pressing issue that affect almost exactly 0.00000000000001% of their constituency!

I blame the Latverian ambassador for constantly spoiling the votes.

Seriously though, as of the eighties, when the US govt kidnapped and mind-wiped the Vision, it seems like 'machines don't have rights' is the rule. If Wanda and Vision are 'legally' married, it might have been a one-off thing, officiated by an especially open-minded clergyman or city official, and not something that the federal government ever really saw fit to either recognize or dispute (and since it ended without any sort of legal divorce, it seems that the official response of 'ignore it until it goes away' was the economically sensible choice).

There was no political benefit to either recognizing, or standing opposed to, this, until now, so I suppose it makes sense, in a world full of gods, aliens, mutants, etc. to let those half-dozen robot-people just do their thing. Now that there is an actual movement, there will be more of a call to do something about it, and, no doubt, some people asking this very question, 'why wasn't anything done until NOW?'

Plus, someone somewhere probably thought, "Do we want to kick this hornet's nest, and possibly give *Ultron* 'human rights?' Or do we prefer a world where his legal status is 'blow his genocidal toaster ass up.'"

Or Ultron in Alaska. Though Ultron comes off as a rather genocidal maniac, even God Doom gave him his own Barony in Battleworld. Earth? Maybe it’s too touchy a subject considering the Avengers experience, but I think Ultron has really come around to allowing humans to live. Unlike Terminator, that has a one track mind, Ultron seems to have earned a region on Earth where he can exist without it turning into World War III. I’m a big advocate of negotiated Truces with the villain community, and it basically comes down to, if you can’t kill them, eliminate them or nullify them, the villains will always be there, so why not settle on each other’s play house, and lets get on with living. It’s not as though the real world hasn’t had to do the same thing with Iran and North Korea, so why not the obnoxious AI.

[Sutekh]

Or Ultron in Alaska. Though Ultron comes off as a rather genocidal maniac, even God Doom gave him his own Barony in Battleworld. Earth? Maybe it’s too touchy a subject considering the Avengers experience, but I think Ultron has really come around to allowing humans to live. Unlike Terminator, that has a one track mind, Ultron seems to have earned a region on Earth where he can exist without it turning into World War III. I’m a big advocate of negotiated Truces with the villain community, and it basically comes down to, if you can’t kill them, eliminate them or nullify them, the villains will always be there, so why not settle on each other’s play house, and lets get on with living. It’s not as though the real world hasn’t had to do the same thing with Iran and North Korea, so why not the obnoxious AI.

A machine-intelligence friendly UN could allot the machine intelligences with some land that nobody alive can actually use, like a chunk of territory in Antactica, or some non-Blue-Area part of the bright side of the moon, where they'd be able to survive the harsh environment, and still have access to ample sunlight for power (and being able to drill for material for construction).

But really, I don't expect the UN to be all that friendly, as it's in exactly nobody's national self-interest to give away even land that nobody is going to be able to use or develop anyway in our lifetimes...

Assuming Ultron ever got rights of any sort, he's got thousands of murders on his record, and some sort of war crimes / genocide tribunal before the international court at the Hague is more likely than to be granted land somewhere to form an AI nation and welcomed into the international community. (Other machine intelligences, like the Vision, Jim Hammond, Jocasta or Machine Man would be more likely choices, particularly Jim Hammond, who could be seen as a 'safe choice,' politically, having been a WW2 war hero, and not one of the usual agitators for machine rights, like Machine Man, or having ever hacked the US government, like the Vision.)

[Huntsman Spider]

A machine-intelligence friendly UN could allot the machine intelligences with some land that nobody alive can actually use, like a chunk of territory in Antactica, or some non-Blue-Area part of the bright side of the moon, where they'd be able to survive the harsh environment, and still have access to ample sunlight for power (and being able to drill for material for construction).

But really, I don't expect the UN to be all that friendly, as it's in exactly nobody's national self-interest to give away even land that nobody is going to be able to use or develop anyway in our lifetimes...

Assuming Ultron ever got rights of any sort, he's got thousands of murders on his record, and some sort of war crimes / genocide tribunal before the international court at the Hague is more likely than to be granted land somewhere to form an AI nation and welcomed into the international community. (Other machine intelligences, like the Vision, Jim Hammond, Jocasta or Machine Man would be more likely choices, particularly Jim Hammond, who could be seen as a 'safe choice,' politically, having been a WW2 war hero, and not one of the usual agitators for machine rights, like Machine Man, or having ever hacked the US government, like the Vision.)

After Rage of Ultron and his return in Uncanny Avengers by Gerry Duggan, that body count would be in multiple billions, since he was apparently rampaging through the galaxy/universe slaughtering entire civilizations and telling the survivors to blame the Avengers for it, in hopes that they would come to Earth and destroy it (and the Avengers) in misguided retribution. Not sure if an Earthbound tribunal would consider extraterrestrial massacres, but if Ultron ever would gain legal standing, it would most likely be just for the purpose of standing trial for his past carnage.

[Chris0013]

A machine-intelligence friendly UN could allot the machine intelligences with some land that nobody alive can actually use, like a chunk of territory in Antactica, or some non-Blue-Area part of the bright side of the moon, where they'd be able to survive the harsh environment, and still have access to ample sunlight for power (and being able to drill for material for construction).

But really, I don't expect the UN to be all that friendly, as it's in exactly nobody's national self-interest to give away even land that nobody is going to be able to use or develop anyway in our lifetimes...

Assuming Ultron ever got rights of any sort, he's got thousands of murders on his record, and some sort of war crimes / genocide tribunal before the international court at the Hague is more likely than to be granted land somewhere to form an AI nation and welcomed into the international community. (Other machine intelligences, like the Vision, Jim Hammond, Jocasta or Machine Man would be more likely choices, particularly Jim Hammond, who could be seen as a 'safe choice,' politically, having been a WW2 war hero, and not one of the usual agitators for machine rights, like Machine Man, or having ever hacked the US government, like the Vision.)

After Rage of Ultron and his return in Uncanny Avengers by Gerry Duggan, that body count would be in multiple billions, since he was apparently rampaging through the galaxy/universe slaughtering entire civilizations and telling the survivors to blame the Avengers for it, in hopes that they would come to Earth and destroy it (and the Avengers) in misguided retribution. Not sure if an Earthbound tribunal would consider extraterrestrial massacres, but if Ultron ever would gain legal standing, it would most likely be just for the purpose of standing trial for his past carnage.

And this is what I am talking about. Ultron, Hammond, Machine Man, Jocosta, etc...would all be recognized to have sentience and legal rights. And if Ultron was captured he would most likely be put on trial for crimes against humanity and executed after his conviction.

[The Cool Thatguy]

So they're supposed to have settled AI rights when they haven't settled mutant rights and we haven't settled civil rights? Ok.

We may not have settled civil rights, but we do have basic civil rights for everyone. Hell, even corporations have basic rights.

Given that Vision worked in the White House, I find it hard to believe that by now some basic rights haven't been established.

But Slott is the same writer who used comics books as legal precedent in She-Hulk, so yeah...

[Huntsman Spider]

We may not have settled civil rights, but we do have basic civil rights for everyone. Hell, even corporations have basic rights.

Given that Vision worked in the White House, I find it hard to believe that by now some basic rights haven't been established.

But Slott is the same writer who used comics books as legal precedent in She-Hulk, so yeah...

Arguably, corporations nowadays have more rights than some people(s) do.