The Box Office

[Kirby101]

Then it loses the high-light of being the ZSJL-cut and would be “a different film” depending what was cut.

BvS wasn't Snyder's?

[Kirby101]

So do you have an explanation why it got rated by more than double the amount of "people" than movies that have clearly been watched by far more people? Do you also think that Captain Marvel didn't get review-bombed on RT?



Critic scores rarely matter for box office success. Just recently Pearl or Bodies Bodies Bodies had fantastic RT scores and yet almost nobody showed up to see them in theaters.



Batman v Superman had a worse CinemaScore than Justice League (2017) and the former is the movie most similar to ZSJL. Why would general audiences who didn't care for BvS think ZSJL is a great movie?

But BvS made $200 million more than JL, what happen to your CinemaScore is the best predictor?

[chicago_bastard]

But BvS made $200 million more than JL, what happen to your CinemaScore is the best predictor?

As I already said Batman v Superman's abysmal reception was the biggest factor for the bad performance of JL. Justice League only had an opening weekend of 94 million (compared to Batman v Superman's 166 million) largely due to the fact that audiences didn't like BvS. JL had a bigger multiplier of 2.4 compared to BvS' 1.9 though so the better CinemaScore did lead to better legs at the box office for JL. That's literally what I'm talking about all the time.

BvS was a success solely due to its opening weekend of 166 million when people wanted to see the arguably two biggest superheroes clash on the screen for the very first time. But then they realized how bad it is and word of mouth (B CinemaScore) led to historically bad legs. It's unheard of for a blockbuster of that scale to make less money in the whole rest of its run than on its opening weekend alone, that's how bad its word of mouth was. And of course such a bad reception affected interest for the sequel negatively, made evident by the much lower opening weekend for JL.

[Bunch of Coconuts]

BvS wasn't Snyder's?

I'm not sure how you misinterpreted my comment.

The main selling point of the "Snyder Cut" was that it is the cut Snyder intended.

If he had to cut the film to allow for a theatrical release, it wouldn't be the same "Snyder Cut" we currently have.

If the current "Snyder Cut" has to be...cut...into a "Snyder Theatrical Release Cut," it could very likely lead to a different response. Say, for example, if a lot of the Cyborg content has to be cut (which is something the current "Snyder Cut" received praise as being an improvement).

I didn't mention BVS at all?

[Kirby101]

I'm not sure how you misinterpreted my comment.

The main selling point of the "Snyder Cut" was that it is the cut Snyder intended.

If he had to cut the film to allow for a theatrical release, it wouldn't be the same "Snyder Cut" we currently have.

If the current "Snyder Cut" has to be...cut...into a "Snyder Theatrical Release Cut," it could very likely lead to a different response. Say, for example, if a lot of the Cyborg content has to be cut (which is something the current "Snyder Cut" received praise as being an improvement).

I didn't mention BVS at all?

And if he had finished the theatrical movie cut to a theatrical length, it would still be his cut.
Was the Watchmen not his because he also did an extended version. I seriously doubt his original version was meant to be 4 hours. HBOmax gave him the opportunity to make a longer film. I am sure he could have made HIS film for theatrical release. As he did with MoS and BvS.

[Bunch of Coconuts]

And if he had finished the theatrical movie cut to a theatrical length, it would still be his cut.
Was the Watchmen not his because he also did an extended version. I seriously doubt his original version was meant to be 4 hours. HBOmax gave him the opportunity to make a longer film. I am sure he could have made HIS film for theatrical release. As he did with MoS and BvS.

I think at this point, my point has been lost (probably my fault). To clarify what I meant:

You're hedging your bets that if ZS had released a trimmed down version of the current ZSJL cut, it would be just as, probably more, popular than what we got as a theatrical cut.

We know what we have with the current ZSJL; for a theatrical release, you'd be looking at cutting out 30 minutes to 150 minutes of content.

Considering ZS's overall track record, I definitely don't have as much faith as you.

Plus, the current ZSJL cut has the "benefit" of being able to be compared to the Whedonisms in the theatrical cut we did get, largely from the POV of a fandom that clamored for the ZSJL cut. That doesn't necessarily mean a wider release on a condensed ZSJL is going to much appeal outside that fandom.

[Gaastra]

Knifes out 2 has sold out in many places once again having people call out netflix for not giving it a wide release.

Minions 2 has defeated the batman knocking it out of the 4th highest film of the year. Batman is no match for minions it looks like!

GDT's Pinocchio will get a limited theatre release.

[useridgoeshere]

Knifes out 2 has sold out in many places once again having people call out netflix for not giving it a wide release.

It’s so weird that people would call out Netflix for prioritizing their primary business, content for their streaming service, over theaters. Duh.

[Gaastra]

They were called out this time over taking a huge loved ip from theatres in need of movies. The studio who sold it to them has been called out and attacked also for selling it to start with. Even the biggest movie new sites attacked netflix over it. Even all the theatre chains owners have called them out over it. This film should never have been sold to them to start with.

Netflix loves to grab films with cash killing its theatre release these last few years. This time they picked a film people wanted to see in theatres and its making a nasty backlash! They have part 3 also.

[chicago_bastard]

Netflix just made a bid and it got accepted, they didn't force themselves on anyone here. That's how the business works.

The only ones who should get called out are Rian Johnson and his producing partner Ram Bergman as nobody forced them to sell their IP to Netflix. They wanted the highest paycheck for themselves and therefore sold to the highest bidder. Simple as that.

[thwhtGuardian]

I don't get calling anyone out over this, it seems really entitled any way you slice it.

[Username taken]

Looks like BP2 is headed toward a 65% drop or so depending on how the weekend plays out.

It's interesting how recent MCU movies tend to experience these rather large second weekend drops.

BP2 has the holidays advantage for it but nonetheless, it's an interesting phenomenon.

[Gaastra]

BP2 heading for $66m second weekend.

second weekend is coming in lower than its projected $70M+ with $66M, -64%. That’s not necessarily something to get worried about, however, as sources keep telling me this pic’s running time is what’s slowing it down a bit. On the bright side, it’s Thanksgiving week, and if people aren’t seeing it this weekend, then they’re seeing it sometime this week, hands down. Furthermore, there was always bound to be a steep drop in the Friday to Friday coming off the Veterans Day holiday and previews a week ago, that number being -79% for $17.9M yesterday. Even though the running total for Wakanda Forever at $286.7M tomorrow will be 2% behind Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness at the same point in time, let’s see where the Ryan Coogler directed stands by the end of next Sunday.

For the others--

Now, as far as the off-programming, specifically Searchlight’s The Menu and Universal’s She Said, they’re being outstripped by a Fathom Events faith-based title, The Chosen: Season 3 which is poised to do $9.9M or $10M.

With a production cost of $30M, She Said is doing the worst of the two studio attempts at adults with $2.27M opening at 2,022 theaters. A few things. First bravo for Universal for having the audacity to get behind an important #MeToo adaptation about the New York Times’ takedown of Harvey Weinstein. It’s not on streaming, it’s on the big screen, and at the end of the day it’s about this pic’s tail in home entertainment, especially as it ratchets up buzz among awards voters. That’s where this film will be watched. Uni launched the film during Thanksgiving week in an attempt to get as many people as they could. Those who watched She Said gave it an A CinemaScore and 89% positive on Comscore/Screen Engine’s PostTrak. In the same breath, there was never an audience for this newsroom-meets-Hollywood drama outside those in the industry moviegoers in NYC and LA. Given the wonky turnout of adults during the post-pandemic, if a studio knows they don’t have any pulse for a film at 100%, they’re not going to spend, so it stands to reason the promo push for this Carey Mulligan-Zoe Kazan movie is in its awards ledger, not theatrical. At the end of the day, and to all studio and streamers’ benefit as we come out of the pandemic: Poor ticket sales don’t dilute your awards seasons chances on a film anymore. As far as the future of cross-over titles, specifically those that gain momentum off awards season steam — well, that’s another story.

What of The Menu? At an estimated $30M production cost, and $8.87M opening, possibly $9M, it’s not a bomb, bomb, bomb, but nothing spectacular. On the upside, it’s an opening, a bit ahead of Searchlight’s summer 2019 genre movie Ready or Not which had an $8M start and legged out to $28.7M. But that movie only cost $6M before P&A. The Menu gets a B CinemaScore to Ready Or Not‘s B+. PostTrak more severe at 78% and 53% definite recommend. At the end of the day, The Menu will have a better tail than She Said. Look, Menu is an edgy arthouse film, much like Midsommar which ended its run at $27.4M. If Menu ends its domestic run in the Midsommar and Ready or Not range, it’s done its job. Searchlight was smart to open the pic during a week when they could potentially capture the most audience versus early December before Christmas. Guy leaning at 54%, 65% between 17-34 (remember, if arthouse thrives going forward, it’s on this demo). Diversity pull was 53% Caucasian, 20% Latino and Hispanic, 12% Black and 15% Asian/other. West and Southwest were the best markets for Menu, with six of the top ten theaters from that area. Brooklyn Alamo was No. 1 yesterday.

Is adult counterprogramming dead? No. These are niche, dark films aimed at upscale audiences. Remember what we wrote about product being the key driver to arthouses. What could still work? Broad appealing adult movies like Ford v. Ferrari which launched over the pre-Thanksgiving space back in 2019 and made its way to $117.6M. Warner Bros.’ Elvis proved this summer there’s still appetite for broad appealing, upbeat, vibrant original movies for adults. So, don’t get cynical.

https://deadline.com/2022/11/box-off...id-1235176102/


Note the chosen movie (really a few episodes of the show released as a film in theatres) did well.

Elsewhere, a special-event screening of faith-based series The Chosen, chronicling the life of Jesus, is pulling off a major upset. Fathom Events, which is showing the first two episodes of season three in more than 2,000 theaters, is projecting a $10 million-plus weekend for a second-place finish after grossing $3.4 million on Friday. The Chosen is from Angel Studios, which streams the independent show on such platforms as Prime Video and Peacock, as well as on its special app.

The Chosen beat new epicurean horror-comedy The Menu, which is opening in 3,211 theaters, the widest release in the history of specialty label Searchlight. The Menu, starring Ralph Fiennes, Anna Taylor-Joy and Nicholas Hoult, should serve up a respectable $9 million debut after grossing roughly $3.6 million on Friday.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/mo...en-1235265970/

[Anthony W]

Looks like BP2 is headed toward a 65% drop or so depending on how the weekend plays out.

It's interesting how recent MCU movies tend to experience these rather large second weekend drops.

BP2 has the holidays advantage for it but nonetheless, it's an interesting phenomenon.

Doesn't it have to make at least 800 million or so to be considered profitable?

[Username taken]

Doesn't it have to make at least 800 million or so to be considered profitable?

I honestly don't know.