Has the absolute upper limit of Shazam's strength ever been established?

[Buried Alien]

Has DC ever established the absolute upper limit of Shazam/Captain Marvel's strength? "Strength of Hercules" and "Stamina of Atlas" do not represent a precise quantity.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[kilderkin]

The best I recall was a description that his powers were on a par with superman

[Vordan]

He lifted the infinite book in Final Crisis along with Supes, although that was Thunderworld/Earth 5 Shazam. Still no reason to believe Billy isn’t on par with Earth 0 Supes. He’ll be facing Superboy-Prime soon so we’ll see how he stacks up there.

[Starter Set]

Not strong enough to keep his real name "captain Marvel" apparently so here you go, that's his limit.

He can't beat lawyers.

[Triniking1234]

Current Shazam was on par with NuSupes. Evil Shazam and Evil Kara got bodied by Superman.

[SiegePerilous02]

He really should be dead even with Superman.

And also on his own Earth, since he's the representation of the Superman archetype there. That's why he was alongside Superman and Ultraman in Final Crisis.

[Phoenixx9]

If Shazam/CM is on a par with Supermanm is he stronger than Wonder Woman?

It is said that Shazam/CM has the strength of Hercules and that WW is stronger than Hercules. So by this thinking, shouldn't WW be stronger than Shazam/CM?

[stargazer01]

comics say some things but they don't show it, so all the confusion.

[mace11]

If Shazam/CM is on a par with Supermanm is he stronger than Wonder Woman?

It is said that Shazam/CM has the strength of Hercules and that WW is stronger than Hercules. So by this thinking, shouldn't WW be stronger than Shazam/CM?

Here some info i read from another thread recently.

Captain marvel stronger than wonder woman

By Marcio

Captain Marvel is stronger. Strength of Hercules + Zeus Boost.



Strength of Hercules + Zeus Boost



Captain Marvel increasing his strength only by combining their powers.

Captain marvel stronger than wonder woman
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/billy...591719/?page=2

[SiegePerilous02]

If Shazam/CM is on a par with Supermanm is he stronger than Wonder Woman?

It is said that Shazam/CM has the strength of Hercules and that WW is stronger than Hercules. So by this thinking, shouldn't WW be stronger than Shazam/CM?

The root cause of the confusion I think is that both WW and Marvel were created by two different creators for two different companies, and that's before we get into how continuity was much more light back then. Billy was being empowered by a different Hercules and his universe regarded that strength differently, especially as WW is subverting the Hercules and myth and casting him as a villain. Mary Marvel also derived her strength from Hippolyta, and I don't believe Hippolyta has ever consistently displayed lose level of feats of strength.

Someone with more Shazam knowledge could possibly answer this, but does Hercules literally give Billy strength or is it a spell that symbolically draws on the totemic strength that Hercules is known for? As is Wonder Woman stronger than demi-God Hercules or still stronger than him after he ascends to Olympus? Is Olympian Hercules the one who gives Billy strength? The two takes on the classical figures don't really mesh well across the two franchises, which is one reason I think Shazam works better on its own Earth. Whenever he and Superman clash in the old comics, it's left questionable which one would win, whereas Superman was clearly defined as being stronger than Wonder Woman.

[kilderkin]

If Shazam/CM is on a par with Supermanm is he stronger than Wonder Woman?

It is said that Shazam/CM has the strength of Hercules and that WW is stronger than Hercules. So by this thinking, shouldn't WW be stronger than Shazam/CM?

Specifically to the strength of Hercules

I've seen it that it's a different god to the Olympian, but only rarely

I've also seen it that Hercules donated some of his strength to the Wizards spell so isn't as strong as he could be if there wasn't a cm or Shazam

I've also seen it that cm splits off some of his power for the other marvels (less likely I think now), as when he suffered from greed he pulled it back to him

In terms of feats it's fairly awesome And its clearly amped up by the other sources of his power, especially Zeus iirc

[Stanlos]

If Shazam/CM is on a par with Supermanm is he stronger than Wonder Woman?

It is said that Shazam/CM has the strength of Hercules and that WW is stronger than Hercules. So by this thinking, shouldn't WW be stronger than Shazam/CM?

Pre Flashpoint it was Supes, WW, Cap, then Jonn. All of these have comparable strength.

[Stanlos]

Has DC ever established the absolute upper limit of Shazam/Captain Marvel's strength? "Strength of Hercules" and "Stamina of Atlas" do not represent a precise quantity.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

With the Strength of Hercules and the ability to use the power of Zeus to draw on all of the earth's magic it is not surprising that even conventional items deemed nigh indestructible and even unbreakable have been sundered a blow from the World's Mightiest Mortal.