Originally Posted by
Pendaran
Weeeelllll…. it varies. Presence 9 for instance can be "Presence the whole city". There are various Koldunic sorcery powers with an area of miles. There's abyss mysticsm that lets you blot out the sun for an hour over a considerable area. There's a level 8-9 thaumaturgy ritual that lets you straight up erase things from reality (up to a building) like they never were. Basically with vampires it's more the non physical stuff that is on some interesting varieties of crack once you start getting up there.
That said, being able to pick up and throw a truck is already "lift and throw 5 tons" honestly.
There's also a sharp difference between "things vampires can do in the fiction material" and "the terrible attempts to stat them to represent that". So for instance Menele can call up elemental spirits that let him cause volcanic eruptions to the point that the reason for Pompeii in the WoD is "Menele frenzied", but you wouldn't know it to look at his points. Mithras, before a bunch of terrible recent retcons from a developer doing straight up self insert fanfiction in ways I don't have the strength to describe, could take being incendiary bombed to the face during the Blitz, which should be a death sentence for vampires, and only get knocked into torpor, then wake up decades later and while still weak still physically kill out an entire sept of werewolves (and then yes, be expended enough afterwards that some rando neonate could roll up and diablerize him, but then have his sheer will be such that he just takes over the neonate's body from within).