X-Men + Fantastic Four #2 Preview

[Lapsus]

Mutants are fine but his son cant interact with them. Hmmmm.

He can interact with them, he already does, they only oppose to him going to Krakoa now.

In that pic from AvX it only shows how unbiased is reed towards mutants.

[Alan2099]

And it is soooo funny that they took offense to the declaration that mutants are superior, which again is accurate, and which include their son, but the b is going to tell anyone who would lissen that her daughter is a child prodigy aka superior.

Are mutants really superior? I can name a ton of mutants that aren't anywhere near as powerful as the members of the Fantastic Four.

[BroHomo]

Are mutants really superior? I can name a ton of mutants that aren't anywhere near as powerful as the members of the Fantastic Four.

Generally as a whole

[Marvelman]

It was not a mission, it was supposed to be a simple talk. And Magneto is one of Krakoa's heads of state, why hide him? Now that would have been manipulative to hide what they are and teach. And it is soooo funny that they took offense to the declaration that mutants are superior, which again is accurate, and which include their son, but the b is going to tell anyone who would lissen that her daughter is a child prodigy aka superior. The hypocrisy never stops.
Also the FF are friends with Magneto and were very cool with Magneto the last time they interracted, during a mission in which he saved their lives and assisted in rescuing humans.

I would also like to add that I think Reed is right about something. Charles and Erik do seem to have a timetable. There's something they know that the readers do not. Could it have something to do with Moira MacTaggert?

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

--And it is soooo funny that they took offense to the declaration that mutants are superior, which again is accurate--

It is not accurate. Are the physically gifted members of the NBA or the NFL somehow superior to all other branches of humanity just because they have the size and reflexes to play at the highest level of their chosen sport? That's absurd.

Your typical mutant has one ability and base-level human intelligence. They can obviously be matched by a sufficiently trained human. The only mutant advantage is with omegas, who are as rare and distinct from other mutants as mutants themselves are from humans, so not exactly a dependable resource, hence Charles and Max's desperation to patriate and nationalise every last one they can find.

[jonincentex]

Unless the Illuminati have been reconned out of existence, the way the FF interact with team Krakoa is ridiculous.

Xavier and Mr. Fantastic know each other and respect each other on a level that means when it came to his son, Xavier would approach Reed one on one and offer to help him find out what the problem is. The apparent upcoming conflict with Dr. Doom would have served as a much better set-up.

Instead, his approach is duplicitous and unnecessary motivated by the fear that somehow Reed, still the most intelligent person on the planet including mutants is somehow going to **** up and cost the mutants a valuable asset because he's not a mutant implying fatherhood means nothing and that mutants now see ALL humans similarly.

Their belief that they are superior has gone to their heads. Mutants now collectively almost completely lack any empathy. That's strange.

No matter how superior their powers may be, Reed's and Valeria's intelligence actually makes them the superior ones to all the x-men especially considering their motivations. Not a single mutant can match them when it comes to intelligence.

It may not be a "superpower" but in the comic book world of Marvel, genius has always been portrayed as the ultimate gift.

The fact that they don't care simply because it's not due to the x-gene makes the mutants look petty and pretentious.

[BroHomo]

I would also like to add that I think Reed is right about something Charles and Erik do seem to have a timetable. There's something they know that the readers do not. Could it have something to do with Moira MacTaggert?

lol I thought it was common knowledge the readers don't know everything Moira told Xavier, about her past lives. And that He magneto and Moira are acting in such a way as to prevent mutants getting killed off by humanity

[Chris0013]

It is not accurate. Are the physically gifted members of the NBA or the NFL somehow superior to all other branches of humanity just because they have the size and reflexes to play at the highest level of their chosen sport? That's absurd.

Your typical mutant has one ability and base-level human intelligence. They can obviously be matched by a sufficiently trained human. The only mutant advantage is with omegas, who are as rare and distinct from other mutants as mutants themselves are from humans, so not exactly a dependable resource, hence Charles and Max's desperation to patriate and nationalise every last one they can find.

I would put Hawkeye up against probably 75-80% of mutants.

[tuck frump]

Mutants can literally do things that normals cant, periodt. Dont hawkeye gifts come from training? So if anyone else took the same training theyd be doing the same thing. But no amount of training will make anyone grow wings or shoot optic blasts.

This is neither a judgement on morals or values. But the FF chose to take it that way bc theyre insecure.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

Unless the Illuminati have been reconned out of existence, the way the FF interact with team Krakoa is ridiculous.

Xavier and Mr. Fantastic know each other and respect each other on a level that means when it came to his son, Xavier would approach Reed one on one and offer to help him find out what the problem is. The apparent upcoming conflict with Dr. Doom would have served as a much better set-up.

Instead, his approach is duplicitous and unnecessary motivated by the fear that somehow Reed, still the most intelligent person on the planet including mutants is somehow going to **** up and cost the mutants a valuable asset because he's not a mutant implying fatherhood means nothing and that mutants now see ALL humans similarly.

Their belief that they are superior has gone to their heads. Mutants now collectively almost completely lack any empathy. That's strange.

No matter how superior their powers may be, Reed's and Valeria's intelligence actually makes them the superior ones to all the x-men especially considering their motivations. Not a single mutant can match them when it comes to intelligence.

It may not be a "superpower" but in the comic book world of Marvel, genius has always been portrayed as the ultimate gift.

The fact that they don't care simply because it's not due to the x-gene makes the mutants look petty and pretentious.

This isn't the same Xavier. He changed on a fundamental level after Moira baited him into scanning her. Nothing he does can be compared with what came before, because every single action he's taken since that day has been done with full precognitive awareness. I.E., Adopting Scott and Jean to allow the timeline to continue down a similar path. But doing this with knowledge of what's to come and not altruism or love. Professor X is a real cold bastard.

[Chris0013]

Mutants can literally do things that normals cant, periodt. Dont hawkeye gifts come from training? So if anyone else took the same training theyd be doing the same thing. But no amount of training will make anyone grow wings or shoot optic blasts.

Does not make them superior...just means they have an ability baseline humans do not. And that is no different than other super humans like Peter Parker or Ben Grimm.

[tuck frump]

He can interact with them, he already does, they only oppose to him going to Krakoa now.

In that pic from AvX it only shows how unbiased is reed towards mutants.

Didnt she lose her **** bc Magneto was TALKING to the boy. Tbh this is how she comes off.

[BroHomo]

Your typical mutant has one ability and base-level human intelligence. They can obviously be matched by a sufficiently trained human. The only mutant advantage is with omegas, who are as rare and distinct from other mutants as mutants themselves are from humans, so not exactly a dependable resource, hence Charles and Max's desperation to patriate and nationalise every last one they can find.

Eh if you take a random selection of humans pitted them against random selection of Mutants in a no holds barred... weapons free...fight to the death I dooooubt humans gonna come out on top.

I would put Hawkeye up against probably 75-80% of mutants.

Hmm yes cause realistically a flatscan of moderate strength vs guy with random superpower is pretty evenly matched but a flatscan with a bow and 6 or 7 arrows is nigh unbeatable lol

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

Mutants can literally do things that normals cant, periodt. Dont hawkeye gifts come from training? So if anyone else took the same training theyd be doing the same thing. But no amount of training will make anyone grow wings or shoot optic blasts.

This is neither a judgement on morals or values. But the FF chose to take it that way bc theyre insecure.

Well, this is where we have to ask, "what is the point of super powers?" Super powers seem to exist for their own sake. Cyclops can project force beams from his eyes. Is that really that useful outside of fighting? Humans spend 97% of their time not fighting. Cyclops has an ability that's going to be pointless for most of the rest of his life. Same deal with super strength, speed, and whatever else. Storm can fly! Humans literally don't need to fly. We fear no land based predators! This means Storm has a wonderful ability that is unique and wonderful, but also utterly pointless. She's 'superior' at something that isn't needed.

Telepaths are the only mutants with a genuine advantage. The incredible convenience of instantaneous communication in a future where information will be valued more than gold.

[Chris0013]

Hmm yes cause realistically a flatscan of moderate strength vs guy with random superpower is pretty evenly matched but a flatscan with a bow and 6 or 7 arrows is nigh unbeatable lol

Clint is more than just some rando with a bow and 6 or 7 arrows. He is a highly trained hand to hand combatant and has a mastery or weapons. Is he going to survive against an Omega like Magneto? No. Is he going to be able to go head to head with Cyclops, Havok, Bishop, etc... Hells yeah.