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    Quote Originally Posted by Glio View Post
    Magneto is jew that was persecuted by nazis. Doom is probably the most dangerous villain on Earth.

    If Reed and Sue do not want their children to be in a country with Nazi scientists then they leave the United States.
    and i oop ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Are we talking about Mr. Sinister? cuz I'll admit I don't know much about his bio outside of Cyclops and Phoenix.
    Quote Originally Posted by spirit2011 View Post
    Yep.
    And let's not forget Doctor Nemesis's Nazi history...how Magneto hasn't killed them both considering his history is strange to me. There was a story a few years ago that Magneto came across a mutant who had been a Nazi and he killed him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lapsus View Post
    Is not the same case, they wanted him to examinate Hope and he helped them.

    And you can see that Doctor Nemesis and Rogue are with her.
    So why can't the FF ask for the same courtesy? Why can't they have their members escort Franklin on a supervised visit of Krakoa. Some humans have visited the island, at least 2 live there, you just need to ask first.

    If the mutants refuse such a reasonable request then in that case the FF would have every reason to mistrust them

    If they are this "concerned" over Franklin going to Krakoa now, what's going to change in a few years when he's 18? Most kids Franklin's age are already thinking about college, why shouldn't Franklin start thinking about his future?

    Colleges send scouts to high schools all across the country to visit teenagers, to talk to students and invite them to their school. How is what Xavier doing any different? They didn't try to talk to Franklin without his parents, they wanted to include them in the conversation

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    It seems the mutants could have shown up, literally kidnapped Franklin, and some posters here would say they were right to do so. Krakoa is both good and bad but it seems that some people can only see and overzealously exalt the good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kurolegacy View Post
    On the flip side, if they truly wanted only to talk, why did they show up with the muscle that they did? That comes across more so as an intimidation factor than just peaceful talks. If they were truly just there to talk, they should have brought only Xavier, Kitty and one combatant like Logan to act as a body guard for Xavier but also has a connection to the FF so things are less aggressive.
    Yup. Bringing MAGNETO to talk to the FF? You bring out Mags when you want to intimidate people, just like we've seen in Hickman's X-books so far to spectacular effect. Krakoa's approach was all wrong, and Kitty could easily have taken Franklin to his room, to the roof, to that same restaurant on Yancy Street... but no. She took him right to the gate then tells him to do what he wants to do? A troubled young man having issues with his parents and his powers given an immediate and obvious way out of familial and personal issues? The set up of it was perfectly carried out by the mutants but only stopped by Reed's honestly overzealous and tone deaf attempt to 'help' his son.
    Does anyone really believe that Xavier and Magneto and Apocalypse would have kicked Franklin out if his parents and legal guardians said they didn't want Franklin there and to return him? Perhaps after Sinister had a genetic sample but certainly not before.
    Quote Originally Posted by The General, JLA #38
    'Why?' Just to see the disappointment on your corn-fed, gee-whiz face, Superman. And because a great dark voice on the edge of nothing spoke to me and said you all had to die. There is no 'Why?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Pretty sure, Valeria told them to f*** off and left on her own. And that only worked cuz it was nice Uncle Hickman Doom.
    But Franklin running away is the XMens fault becaauuuuuuuse.......?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Pretty sure, Valeria told them to f*** off and left on her own. And that only worked cuz it was nice Uncle Hickman Doom.
    So she runs off on her own all the time (she’s even done it during Slott’s run). Yet now Sue inmediately suspects kidnapping rather than typical behaviour from her juvenile daughter.

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    cause sue is a massive karen, simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glio View Post
    Sinister is a monster, there is no point in discussing this.

    But as I said, Sue and Reed sent Valeria to live with Doom in Latveria when she was 5 years old.
    If you’re referring to the pre-Secret Wars FF run, they didn’t send Valeria to live with Doom, she ran away to do so only leaving behind a note. And given all that was going on at that time, they weren’t able to simply go and get her back. You did see later the Hell that Sue raised when she tried to get Valeria to come home later in that story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurolegacy View Post
    If you’re referring to the pre-Secret Wars FF run, they didn’t send Valeria to live with Doom, she ran away to do so only leaving behind a note. And given all that was going on at that time, they weren’t able to simply go and get her back. You did see later the Hell that Sue raised when she tried to get Valeria to come home later in that story.
    when was that government was trying to take Valeria away?

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    Hold on. Did Charles and Erik see the caller ID and were like "Hey, Scott. Take this call."

    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    But Franklin running away is the XMens fault becaauuuuuuuse.......?
    huh? pretty sure it was Reed's fault.
    "Cable was right!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirit2011 View Post
    when was that government was trying to take Valeria away?
    During James Robinson's run when the FF were wearing those red suits.
    "Cable was right!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurolegacy View Post
    If you’re referring to the pre-Secret Wars FF run, they didn’t send Valeria to live with Doom, she ran away to do so only leaving behind a note. And given all that was going on at that time, they weren’t able to simply go and get her back. You did see later the Hell that Sue raised when she tried to get Valeria to come home later in that story.
    Because she was possessed by Malice , I remember, almost destroyed Latveria. Valeria was terrified of Sue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Hold on. Did Charles and Erik see the caller ID and were like "Hey, Scott. Take this call."



    huh? pretty sure it was Reed's fault.
    It wasn't. franklin never was interested on krakoa before this

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    Quote Originally Posted by davetvs View Post
    I don't read FF comics, but is Sue always this annoying and poorly written? I liked the few issues of her solo that I read.
    Lol I thought the same thing when ai read this dialogue. I like Sue. Sue is fiery but reasonable most of the time and typically written better. This dialogue feels very contrived for the sake of drama. This reaction to the X-Men, considering their history of working together and even with the perception of Krakoa, feels so forced. Though I agree with others that Magneto was a poor choice to bring along.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel909 View Post
    Well ,given Sues temperament a Skype would just have led to the death of an innocent computer !
    But seriously if the intention was to kidnap Franklin , the FF would have walked all over that group , I doubt they could have found a team from all of Krakow that could take them on.
    If they really wanted to take him , why talk at all. Why not sneak in, a stealthy enough team I'm sure they could put together.
    This is a stretch. If the mutants wanted Franklin he would’ve been taken. This team is too powerful. Several can one-shot/BFR 3 out of 4 from the gate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirit2011 View Post
    He doesn't have Franklin DNA, see incoming one shot
    Sinister has been collecting DNA for a long time. Him not having Legion because Legion is 'gone' is a new development, so it is not a reason to not have his DNA. Now, maybe Sinister needs live samples for what he has planned or something, because we know Xavier made him upload everything into a digital library.

    That said, maybe you are right and he does not have any DNA of Franklin, in which case the writers are just continuing to whack at the already shaky foundation of this thing.

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