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[king of hybrids]

If they turn out to be human, then that'll make Cyclops' "we don't take in human runaways" stand out all the more.

In fairness, there’s a difference between human kids who are devotees of the natural order of things and have committed themselves to the cause, and the goddaughter of one of mutantkind’s great Satans and scion of the variably privileged mutate community they probably want to stab to death one day

[LordUltimus]

My point is that it makes the "are humans allowed on Krakoa" thing murkier.

[JB]

My point is that it makes the "are humans allowed on Krakoa" thing murkier.

Shogo and Kyle live on Krakoa as humans are allowed with a mutant escort. And apparently Leah and Tini will be writing a story about humans living on the island. Scott's comment was more about explaining to Sue why they wouldn't kidnap her daughter.

[Rosebunse]

It hasn't been stated at all at this point but if there's something within them feeling like outcasts, so much so that they relate to the mutants, maybe it will lead that way.

Which actually brings me to my other problem with Krakoa-it's only for mutants. Which is fine, but what about all the not horrible characters who can't pass for human? Like, well, Morbius the Living Vampire or the Lizard's family? Manphibian? Deadpool? Gorilla-Man? People who just can't pass for human? Why are they denied a place there and yet fucking Sinister and Omega Red are cool?

[king of hybrids]

My point is that it makes the "are humans allowed on Krakoa" thing murkier.

I would imagine that Krakoa, just like in the opinions of baselines, don’t consider mutates and other supers to really ‘count’ as humans (especially for the first law)

[JB]

Which actually brings me to my other problem with Krakoa-it's only for mutants. Which is fine, but what about all the not horrible characters who can't pass for human? Like, well, Morbius the Living Vampire or the Lizard's family? Manphibian? Deadpool? Gorilla-Man? People who just can't pass for human? Why are they denied a place there and yet fucking Sinister and Omega Red are cool?

Humans are allowed with a mutant escort. Otherwise no one is welcome that isn't a mutant because mutants are currently being captured, experimented on, and killed. Lizard may look like a mutant but he's not one and may agree with the lot that wants mutants exterminated.

[loke13]

Which actually brings me to my other problem with Krakoa-it's only for mutants. Which is fine, but what about all the not horrible characters who can't pass for human? Like, well, Morbius the Living Vampire or the Lizard's family? Manphibian? Deadpool? Gorilla-Man? People who just can't pass for human? Why are they denied a place there and yet fucking Sinister and Omega Red are cool?

Because they're not mutants and therefore don't have citizenship on Krakoa. The amnesty was for mutants only. The entire point of this is mutantdom united for once to stave off extinction.

That being said theirs nothing wrong with them having mutant escorts and being brought to the island in that manner.

[CoCoBandz]

How many humans have been on Krakoas islands so far and what have they done during their visits?

[Rosebunse]

But again, this is sort of insane. Because it assumes that mutants are more trustworthy than nonmutants and Magneto is willing to sacrifice children to prove it.

And fans are OK with it.

[Frobisher]

How many humans have been on Krakoas islands so far and what have they done during their visits?

There were several human guests in X-Force #1 and they shot Charles Xavier in the face.

[Rosebunse]

There were several human guests in X-Force #1 and they shot Charles Xavier in the face.

To be fair, don't we all sort of want to shoot him in the face sometimes?

[loke13]

But again, this is sort of insane. Because it assumes that mutants are more trustworthy than nonmutants and Magneto is willing to sacrifice children to prove it.

And fans are OK with it.

? An open arm policy is exactly what pushed them to form Krakoa in the first place. I'm not sure why its hard to believe that fans having witnessed the human depravity that has been inflicted on mutants throughout the decades are ok with the fact that mutants have to decided to put their safety first?

[JB]

But again, this is sort of insane. Because it assumes that mutants are more trustworthy than nonmutants and Magneto is willing to sacrifice children to prove it.

And fans are OK with it.

You see it as insane, I don't. It's not assuming anything other than mutants have to be united to survive. What isn't assumed is that a Mother Mold was just built and mutant children had to be rescued from experiments by humans.

There were several human guests in X-Force #1 and they shot Charles Xavier in the face.

Truth. So far Shogo has been on the island as well as baby Maggie (not sure if she's a mutant or not). Is Meggan a mutant? Brian was invited but he's going through it right now.

Kyle, Northstar's husband, will be showing up in X-Factor.

[Metal Sphere]

You see it as insane, I don't. It's not assuming anything other than mutants have to be united to survive. What isn't assumed is that a Mother Mold was just built and mutant children had to be rescued from experiments by humans.



Truth. So far Shogo has been on the island as well as baby Maggie (not sure if she's a mutant or not). Is Meggan a mutant? Brian was invited but he's going through it right now.

Kyle, Northstar's husband, will be showing up in X-Factor.

Yeah, this is something we've never seen the mutants do. Before there used to be a soft side, platitudes issues, olive branches extended. This time? It's 100% EFF THIS, WE WILL SURVIVE mode. Moira's idea of throwing everything into the pot in a desperate last ditch attempt that even she thinks will fail. It will be a deeply bitter pill to swallow if this doesn't work and they still get driven to extinction. Can you imagine the bitterness and hatred of the survivors? Folks like Black Tom throwing everything into this new life, for example, would be crushed. Apocalypse would likely go on a mad murder spree, others would just be despondent. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I think Krakoa as we know it now will fall and fall hard and only after that will we start to see the true status quo to come. By the end of all this we will know our favorite characters real well, warts and all.

Also, Maggie is human. She's just one of those smart babbos.

[Lucyinthesky]

But again, this is sort of insane. Because it assumes that mutants are more trustworthy than nonmutants and Magneto is willing to sacrifice children to prove it.

Sigh he put Omega red in a holding cell, let Wolverine interrogate him to find out what was going on and then he himself escorted him out of the country, this hardly is a matter of magneto just presenting children to Omega Red as a tribute because he trusts him "that" much, and you are talking as if he did such a thing just to support your argument but this is symply not true at all. Srs way to oversimplify an interesting story for the sake of arguing.

And fans are OK with it.

Because the characters took the neccesary precautions to keep him from hurting their ppl and because the discussion was about the possibility of redemption and of Logan being afraid Omega Red makes him remember himself at his worst, that´s the whole debate, is redemption possible yes or not? Magneto said lest find out while Wolverine is nah there are ppl beyond that who should not even be given the oppotunity. Both arguments matter because they very probably would not be with the X-men or maybe even alive if someone had not taken the time to help them be better at some point but there´s also the case of sabretooth who took appart the X-mansion despite being given refuge so both arguments matter.

On the matter of humans living in Krakoa the mere fact most of the mutants aready living there most probably have human loved ones who they care about means we will see sooner or later a mixed population, the "humans can only come with permission" was said because of things like Omega sentinels using human flesh to disguise themselves to attack mutants or the paramilitar guys who got pay to kill Xavier. In fact it´s interesting but the omega sentinels from zero tolerance attacked also regular humans who carried to X-gene so when it comes to attacking mutants there are sentinels who will also attack the human population because they can give birth to mutants.