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    franklin has black hair nowadays?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    During James Robinson's run when the FF were wearing those red suits.
    it happened side by side with Hickman avengers. and Valeria was with doom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starter Set View Post
    franklin has black hair nowadays?
    He dyed it as a symbol of rebellion, yes. I guess to differentiate himself more from his mother and sister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetle View Post
    So why can't the FF ask for the same courtesy? Why can't they have their members escort Franklin on a supervised visit of Krakoa. Some humans have visited the island, at least 2 live there, you just need to ask first.

    If the mutants refuse such a reasonable request then in that case the FF would have every reason to mistrust them

    If they are this "concerned" over Franklin going to Krakoa now, what's going to change in a few years when he's 18? Most kids Franklin's age are already thinking about college, why shouldn't Franklin start thinking about his future?

    Colleges send scouts to high schools all across the country to visit teenagers, to talk to students and invite them to their school. How is what Xavier doing any different? They didn't try to talk to Franklin without his parents, they wanted to include them in the conversation
    Why is it that the FF have to request such a courtesy rather than the X-Men offering it as a means of smoothing the deal out? Franklin’s case isn’t like many of the mutant youths that they’ve gotten over the years. He’s from a loving family who accept him for what he is and isn’t from a world of prejudice. Hell, the FF are good friends of theirs and could potentially be an asset in collaborative efforts with Franklin. But instead, no such offer was made and instead it was that they could simply take him away to an island that his family could not go to in which case any visitation would be strictly one-sided on the part of a minor’s decision. What parent in their right mind would be okay with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glio View Post
    He dyed it as a symbol of rebellion, yes. I guess to differentiate himself more from his mother and sister.
    Hmm i see, thank you.

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    The FF never asked to see the island, they just immediately said no before anyone could get a word in edgewise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetle View Post
    The FF never asked to see the island, they just immediately said no before anyone could get a word in edgewise
    Why would or should they even entertain letting Franklin go to Krakoa? They know what Krakoa is and what its motives are. If they don't want to, they don't want to. They're his parents who love him for who he is, not for his genes.
    Quote Originally Posted by The General, JLA #38
    'Why?' Just to see the disappointment on your corn-fed, gee-whiz face, Superman. And because a great dark voice on the edge of nothing spoke to me and said you all had to die. There is no 'Why?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetle View Post
    But teenagers aren't allowed to decide to explore anything about their own personal identity until they are 18!
    Until then their parents know best and those kids just need to shut up and go where they tell them, they have zero bodily autonomy
    No parent on Earth that is parenting will allow his/her children to live outside the family house without a damn good Reason.
    I can think of a few of them, but in the case of Franklin he simply hasn't one, if anything he's living the life in a very privileged background with a loving and supporting family at his back.
    His parents are right to question Xavier's motives and as long as he's minor, they are right to tell him he still got to live with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glio View Post
    "The X-Men only care about Franklin's powers," if that were true they could make a thousand clones of him by simply picking a hair.

    They sent Valeria with Doom. Five year old Valeria.

    Five. Alone
    You'll be pressed to push this narrative of the FF being bad parents.
    And they have no Lesson to receive in that department from the X-Men of all people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel909 View Post
    Excellent point ,but doesn't that sort of prove my point?
    "Taking" Franklin either by force of by stage would create an unbeatable enemy , wake a sleeping giant, as it where.I
    It seems much more likely that they were there to persuade not to take. (Though as I said, in a really clumsy way.) I thighs truth is it played out as Xavier planned with the FFs actions awakening Franklin's curiosity.
    In all those scenarios, Sue and Reed are still Franklin's parents, and said Franklin is still a minor. Xavier shouldn't have done what he did, as Reed pointed out to him, the situation would have resolved itself once the kid became an adult legally, but Xavier has a timetable it seems.
    "The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
    Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."


    "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

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    Quote Originally Posted by nx01a View Post
    Why would or should they even entertain letting Franklin go to Krakoa? They know what Krakoa is and what its motives are. If they don't want to, they don't want to. They're his parents who love him for who he is, not for his genes.
    Then why did they let their adopted kids disappear into the multiverse?

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    Il glad we're all on the same page that the FF made up their mind abt Krakoa without any information. Prejudiced ### #####.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetle View Post
    Then why did they let their adopted kids disappear into the multiverse?
    I see those as completely different situations. There's exploring creation and then there's building a sociopolitical power base based on drugs, a legion (heh) of powerful mutants, and eventually buying the rest of the planet. One is altruistic, the other is self-serving.
    Quote Originally Posted by The General, JLA #38
    'Why?' Just to see the disappointment on your corn-fed, gee-whiz face, Superman. And because a great dark voice on the edge of nothing spoke to me and said you all had to die. There is no 'Why?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetle View Post
    Then why did they let their adopted kids disappear into the multiverse?
    could be worse, they could all get killed ona regular basis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetle View Post
    The FF never asked to see the island, they just immediately said no before anyone could get a word in edgewise
    As is their right, they are the parents, they Don't have to explain themselves to outsiders like Xavier and his friends.

    Quote Originally Posted by nx01a View Post
    It seems the mutants could have shown up, literally kidnapped Franklin, and some posters here would say they were right to do so. Krakoa is both good and bad but it seems that some people can only see and overzealously exalt the good.
    There's a lot of apologism going around this forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by nx01a View Post
    Yup. Bringing MAGNETO to talk to the FF? You bring out Mags when you want to intimidate people, just like we've seen in Hickman's X-books so far to spectacular effect. Krakoa's approach was all wrong, and Kitty could easily have taken Franklin to his room, to the roof, to that same restaurant on Yancy Street... but no. She took him right to the gate then tells him to do what he wants to do? A troubled young man having issues with his parents and his powers given an immediate and obvious way out of familial and personal issues? The set up of it was perfectly carried out by the mutants but only stopped by Reed's honestly overzealous and tone deaf attempt to 'help' his son.
    Does anyone really believe that Xavier and Magneto and Apocalypse would have kicked Franklin out if his parents and legal guardians said they didn't want Franklin there and to return him? Perhaps after Sinister had a genetic sample but certainly not before.
    Exactly.
    "The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
    Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."


    "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    Il glad we're all on the same page that the FF made up their mind abt Krakoa without any information. Prejudiced ### #####.
    Reed and Sue seemed to know exactly what Krakoa's doing: collecting mutants as part of a larger plan, and they're rightly concerned about that and its impact on their son's well being.
    Quote Originally Posted by The General, JLA #38
    'Why?' Just to see the disappointment on your corn-fed, gee-whiz face, Superman. And because a great dark voice on the edge of nothing spoke to me and said you all had to die. There is no 'Why?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by nx01a View Post
    I see those as completely different situations. There's exploring creation and then there's building a sociopolitical power base based on drugs, a legion (heh) of powerful mutants, and eventually buying the rest of the planet. One is altruistic, the other is self-serving.
    One is sending the kids they've spent the past 5 years raising off on their own into the dangerous expanse of the multiverse with a robot and a single adult as their only chaperones.

    The other is refusing to let their biological son visit a place he wants to go to where he feels a kinship with its inhabitants because they don't want to "split up their family"

    Quote Originally Posted by People Of The Earth View Post
    As is their right, they are the parents, they Don't have to explain themselves to outsiders like Xavier and his friends.
    Maybe they should have explained themselves to Franklin

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