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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    Cyclops found the words to assuage a distressed mother, didn't he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astroman View Post
    I'm so tired of hero vs. hero stories. I'll check out the full issue (previews can be majorly misleading), but if it's more of the smartest, most experienced, heroes - all of whom have had to learn to be calm under fire and under harshest combat situations - all acting like unhinged failures from anger-management classes, I'll probably be out after this.
    Hero vs hero? Is it what it is? I don't see any hero in this…
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    Cyclops found the words to assuage a distressed mother, didn't he?
    Hey, they asked Scott a question and he answered. They asked it again so he would have been in the right to hang up, but he continued to attempt to tell them that they would tell the Fam if the kids were on the island.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Journey View Post
    I can't even get into this **** because none of it matters this takes place early Krakoa and before the FF current run. Franklin's not having any relations with Krakoa and his powers are still weak this all just seems so pointless. Like 4 What!?!?!?!
    This is the other problem, it makes all of this irrelevant.

    Trying to make that everyone has a point while everyone is acting like a retard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    Cyclops found the words to assuage a distressed mother, didn't he?
    Cyclops found the words... When has that statement ever been true in his entire history? Cyclops is a lot of things, but he has never been a people person.

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    The scary thing is the amount of stuff people would get away with if they pull out the “parent card.” Yes, Sue & Reed are parents and that’s extremely important to the entire fabric of this conflict but also so is Franklin’s autonomy. Also how many times is Scott gonna have to tell Sue why Krakoa is doing what it’s doing, because she’s still making the argument that “this nation based in affirmative action is placing you above me” instead of realizing the position mutants have been in for so long.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbenito View Post
    Hey, they asked Scott a question and he answered. They asked it again so he would have been in the right to hang up, but he continued to attempt to tell them that they would tell the Fam if the kids were on the island.
    Clumsiness in the choice of words or unability to show his empathy (not very obvious with a mask)?
    Diplomacy is not Cyclops' strong point, anyway…
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    Clumsiness in the choice of words or unability to show his empathy (not very obvious with a mask)?
    Diplomacy is not Cyclops' strong point, anyway…
    This is true. He's very matter-of-fact.
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    We can also stop this "both sides are wrong" alt facts revisionism. Lets pick up our copies of XM+FF #1, children. Class is in session.

    Page 16, before the XMen have even opened their mouths, Johnny describe them as "not the good kind" of visitors. In the same page, Susan erects a force field completely unprovoked.
    Page 18, Xavier: "we just want to talk".
    Page 19, Susan loses her **** mid conversation, tries to crush Magneto in a force bubble. Despite that, Xavier still tries to resolve the issue peacefully.
    Page 22: a powered up Human Torch aggressively charges at Kate, ignores his nephew attempt at defusing the situation to accuse her of kidnapping. Factually untrue to anyone who has read the story thus far.

    By this point, the FF have shown their hostility towards the X-Men on about 5 occasions. That is when the XMen start defending themselves. And even then, Xavier keeps trying to find a pacific solution, while Susan recognizes she would rather solve the conflict through violence and Reed has already taken matters into his own hands by tampering with Franklin D.N.A. The FF actions have been both deplorable and suspicious when they claim to want what is best for Franklin. Anyone defending them is just jiased but that's nothing new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    We can also stop this "both sides are wrong" alt facts revisionism. Lets pick up our copies of XM+FF #1, children. Class is in session.

    Page 16, before the XMen have even opened their mouths, Johnny describe them as "not the good kind" of visitors. In the same page, Susan erects a force field completely unprovoked.
    Page 18, Xavier: "we just want to talk".
    Page 19, Susan loses her **** mid conversation, tries to crush Magneto in a force bubble. Despite that, Xavier still tries to resolve the issue peacefully.
    Page 22: a powered up Human Torch aggressively charges at Kate, ignores his nephew attempt at defusing the situation to accuse her of kidnapping. Factually untrue to anyone who has read the story thus far.

    By this point, the FF have shown their hostility towards the X-Men on about 5 occasions. That is when the XMen start defending themselves. And even then, Xavier keeps trying to find a pacific solution, while Susan recognizes she would rather solve the conflict through violence and Reed has already taken matters into his own hands by tampering with Franklin D.N.A. The FF actions have been both deplorable and suspicious when they claim to want what is best for Franklin. Anyone defending them is just jiased but that's nothing new.
    Deplorable, I don't know but suspicious? What Xavier said to the FF? "We will replace you"… or something like that?
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    Respect goes out the window when you bring a terrorist and multiple murderers to the door, then come up in someone's house preaching superiority then saying you know what's best for someone else's child. When half the Mofo's in the room couldn't even help their own kids.

    You act disrespectful you get disrespected!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    Cyclops found the words to assuage a distressed mother, didn't he?
    A distressed mother that attacked his teammates lol and he's not a counselor, he was a spokesman for the team and he was being cordial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    Deplorable, I don't know but suspicious? What Xavier said to the FF? "We will replace you"… or something like that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Journey View Post
    Respect goes out the window when you bring a terrorist and multiple murderers to the door, then come up in someone's house preaching superiority then saying you know what's best for someone else's child. When half the Mofo's in the room couldn't even help their own kids.

    You act disrespectful you get disrespected!
    This all happened AFTER Reed experimented on his son without his knowledge nor consent to further isolate him from his mutant identity right?? Oh okay then.

    The argument that daddy and mommy know best is really not as strong as some believe it is, plenty of gay kids or adopted kids from ethnic minorities will have a word about that. Experimenting on Franklin is basically abuse and could realistically see Reed have his parental authority revoked. Now check that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Journey View Post
    Respect goes out the window when you bring a terrorist and multiple murderers to the door, then come up in someone's house preaching superiority then saying you know what's best for someone else's child. When half the Mofo's in the room couldn't even help their own kids.

    You act disrespectful you get disrespected!
    Oh c'mon Ben has been Logan's teammate for how long in the Avengers. And they've worked with Doom of all people (and actually worked with Magneto too). Plus Ororo, Kate and Bobby being there was enough for the X-Men not to be considered hostile. The FF were actually disrespectful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    We can also stop this "both sides are wrong" alt facts revisionism. Lets pick up our copies of XM+FF #1, children. Class is in session.

    Page 16, before the XMen have even opened their mouths, Johnny describe them as "not the good kind" of visitors. In the same page, Susan erects a force field completely unprovoked.
    Page 18, Xavier: "we just want to talk".
    Page 19, Susan loses her **** mid conversation, tries to crush Magneto in a force bubble. Despite that, Xavier still tries to resolve the issue peacefully.
    Page 22: a powered up Human Torch aggressively charges at Kate, ignores his nephew attempt at defusing the situation to accuse her of kidnapping. Factually untrue to anyone who has read the story thus far.

    By this point, the FF have shown their hostility towards the X-Men on about 5 occasions. That is when the XMen start defending themselves. And even then, Xavier keeps trying to find a pacific solution, while Susan recognizes she would rather solve the conflict through violence and Reed has already taken matters into his own hands by tampering with Franklin D.N.A. The FF actions have been both deplorable and suspicious when they claim to want what is best for Franklin. Anyone defending them is just jiased but that's nothing new.
    So you're just going to ignore the blatant disrespect Erik showed them, the vague threats by Charles, and the fact they brought 3 omega level dangerous mutants, plus multiple murderers to a recruitment mission.....

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