Countdown for Krakoa's downfall

[Stormultt Divine]

Or...and this might be shocking...but the mansion can just not blow up. No one needs it to blow up.
And there's ways to go forward without weird plant cult island and Hickman's nonsense.

Or...wait for this, it'll blow your mind...but Krakoa is the way forward. Wow. Its flawed but its home.

[scourge]

Or...wait for this, it'll blow your mind...but Krakoa is the way forward. Wow. Its flawed but its home.

Too many flaws. Just another stop at a dumpster fire.

[CoCoBandz]

Too many flaws. Just another stop at a dumpster fire.

Everything has "too many flaws" when you don't like it.

Hickman is the best thing that's happened to the X-Men since Claremont.

[BroHomo]

There are humans that are allowed on Krakoa, i wish ya'll would stop acting like its the 4th reich. Mutants aren't rounding up humans and executing them like humans have done to mutants. Stop it.

your logic has no place here lol

[Steel Inquisitor]

your logic has no place here lol

https://www.cbr.com/15-creepiest-thi...t-mr-sinister/

Sinister has been around for a long time, so it's safe to assume that he's travelled a lot. Both his experiments and travels have taken him to strange places, and he's been involved with more than one historically significant place. Of course, being an unfeeling villain, as expected, he tends to side with the more brutal faction. In the case of WWII, that was the Third Reich. Mr. Sinister was shown to have worked with the Nazis as a scientist and it was there that he successfully cloned Namor, dubbing his creation "Experiment N2."

Apocalypse is Apocalypse, he destroyed the Bronze Age by himself. Magneto's tried to kill the majority of the population at one time or another. These people are on the Quiet Council.

[Strong Girl Daken]

It's that or mutants get exterminated and humanity gets fucked. It's not like they're on the island just for fun. All mutants uniting is the story (and it's proving to be a very interesting one).

[Chris0013]

If survival means jumping in bed with terrorists, serial killers and assorted psychopaths and sociopaths....maybe mutants do not have the moral integrity to survive.

[Steel Inquisitor]

It's that or mutants get exterminated and humanity gets fucked. It's not like they're on the island just for fun. All mutants uniting is the story (and it's proving to be a very interesting one).

That's what extremists say to indoctrinate recruits.



That's not what the X-men represent, it's the Brotherhood of Mutants.

[Zelena]

If survival means jumping in bed with terrorists, serial killers and assorted psychopaths and sociopaths....maybe mutants do not have the moral integrity to survive.

X-men are not mutants… I mean they are not only mutants. They suppose to represent a certain 'integrity standard'.

If the choice is either following a prophecy or getting annihilated… it's not interesting from my point of view: they have no freedom, they are just puppets.

[Knives]

Why is their "place" with mutant supremacists? They're a comic book franchise, conflict is inherent in their media - including Krakatoa. They're in wars with several groups at the moment.

You think the X-men are incapable of breaking the status quo and make their own government without their hands being held by Mr.Sinister, Apocalypse, Magneto, Sebastian Shaw and numerous other mutant villainous groups?

If you don't ignore the plot it's easy to understand.

The problem is not that the X-men are able to create a government for mutants or not. After all, this has happened on other occasions such as Nation X, Genosha, New Tian and others. But all of these attempts failed because the X-men and the mutants were separated rather than coming together for one purpose. To worsen the war with humanity and machines is a constant that Moira was unable to avoid in any of her futures and in all mutants lost.

Xavier, Magneto and Moira want to avoid the future war with humanity and machines, but if war is inevitable you need to be ready to win. In that sense would you give up some of your best resources or weapons? Magneto and Apocalypse may be bad but they are also the best chance for mutants in a war with humans and machines. Moira herself stated that in all futures what took the mutants further and closer to victory was Apocalypse.

The X-men are not Krakoa.

The X-men are part of Krakoa.

Do not act as if Xavier's morals and dreams guide all mutants in the world or in Krakoa even if some still believe in that dream.
This is not how a nation works.

And believe as soon as one of these villains breaks the rules they know what can happen. And something tells me Shaw is going to get what he deserves soon.

[BroHomo]

If survival means jumping in bed with terrorists, serial killers and assorted psychopaths and sociopaths....maybe mutants do not have the moral integrity to survive.

I mean America has been around for couple hundred years...I bet KraKoa can beat that

https://www.cbr.com/15-creepiest-thi...t-mr-sinister/

Oh you mean the Sinister that didnt have mutant DNA...the one that is NOT on the Quiet Council? Yeah I know. thankfully 616 characters are not liable for what their clones do

Apocalypse is Apocalypse, he destroyed the Bronze Age by himself. Magneto's tried to kill the majority of the population at one time or another. These people are on the Quiet Council.

Who knows what would happened to humanity if Apoc didnt destroy the bronze age....or if he was being truthful. Magneto was acting out defense. Yeah theres some shady ass people on the Quiet Council, The Xmen are trying to build a Nation for all which means some hard decisions/compromises but I meeeeeean none of those Villains crimes come close to wiping out a whole race of people across the multiverse...and yet the Avengers have no problem parading the SW around. and their world keeps turning
lol

[Knives]

If the X-men are the moral in a nation then Magneto and Apocalypse are the pragmatists in a nation. And each of them has a role a nation does not survive long acting as good people, history proves it. Sometimes it is necessary to get your hands dirty, that's why Mangeto or Apocalipse are in Krakoa.

[BroHomo]

If the X-men are the moral in a nation then Magneto and Apocalypse are the pragmatists in a nation. And each of them has a role a nation does not survive long acting as good people, history proves it. Sometimes it is necessary to get your hands dirty, that's why Mangeto or Apocalipse are in Krakoa.

Yep pretty much this!
Soooo much simpler..lol thanks!

[People Of The Earth]

I don't see how the X-men not using the name would change the opinion of the people here.

It would. The name X-Men stand for a certain set of values who currently are toyed with, if not flat out trempled by them entertaining the likes of Apocalypse or Sinister, it's shameful.

However as far as I know the X-men continue to protect the world that hates and fears them that hasn't changed even now with Krakoa.

Please.
The only X-Man who fought a threat legitimate to the entire world since HoX/PoX launched was Psylocke in Fallen Angels with Apoth.
Everyone else is fighting threats exclusive to mutantkind and/or Krakoa.
Which is fine of course, but let's not pretend it's not self-centered either - you paying lip service to the motto doesn't change what's actually happening in the books.

The difference is that at least now mutants don't have to die to do this. Schools are not blown up and every mutant who dies in a terrorist attack can be brought back. As far as I can remember, the mutants never had so much power or protection against their enemies.

X-Men #7 just established how the Resurrection Protocols were having logistical issues with the Numbers, ergo every mutant who dies in an attack currently likely won't be resurrected before many years, if not décades.
So the power and protection (which, again, is trivial given Krakoa has already been breached several times, not including its facilities around the world) angle are to be relativized.
And we know for a fact some mutants will stay dead permanently, for political Reasons.

On the other hand, without Krakoa, would there be any change in the status quo?

Yes, status quo is not bound to Krakoa, it's bound to the X-writers.

Again everyone points to the problems in Krakoa that any country has to deal with. But I don't see anyone saying that the United States or North Korea should cease to exist even though they do what Krakoa does every day.

Whataboutism is utterly irrelevant and missing the points made by miles.
You Don't see anyone saying that here because it's a forum about X-Men comicbooks, I'm sure that if you go on a forum about the United States or North Korea you're likely to find that kind of talks other there.

As for the villains, tell me how to survive a possible war with humans or machines without Magneto or Apocalypse?

Exactly why the X-Men should rebrand themselves and stop pretending they have the same set of values and priorities than they did historically.

[Zelena]

If the X-men are the moral in a nation then Magneto and Apocalypse are the pragmatists in a nation. And each of them has a role a nation does not survive long acting as good people, history proves it. Sometimes it is necessary to get your hands dirty, that's why Mangeto or Apocalipse are in Krakoa.

If the X-men are the moral, they should behave as such…