Countdown for Krakoa's downfall

[scourge]

Sure, ok. Write the comic and let the fans judge how interesting it is

You say that like there hasn't been fanfic a hell of a lot better than some 'official' comics in the past.

[Nigel909]

My question too, but I'm assuming Krakoa as with everything is exercising vast amounts of leverage.A sick mutant ,human hospitals can't help you come to Krakoa we have healers who can make you whole...A dying mutant ,come to Krakoa and you will have a chance to live again. A mutant with a sick neighbour, we have drugs to make him better,we will give you the primary dose free of charge because as a mutant you vouched for them. The list goes on.If Krakoa can push buttons on the international stage ,you can bet they will tip any scale in the socio-economic arena

I think we're stretching things wafer thin here. Are we seriously suggesting that people would have to be "strong armed" into moving to a tropical paradise ? For free ? With free food and accommodation ?
This must be the most common fantasy of "mundane " people in the real world !

And as for the minority of the world's population who are living the "good life" , the 1 percenters , then as I've mentioned before the gates seem to be two way . I can see no reason that people can't run lives on and off Krakoa.

[scourge]

There has been some lines in the books that imply people aren't allowed to just leave Krakoa without permission. And that Magneto and the like can forbid people from leaving on a whim.

[Kisinith]

There has been some lines in the books that imply people aren't allowed to just leave Krakoa without permission. And that Magneto and the like can forbid people from leaving on a whim.

The only time they shut travel down was after the terrorist attack that killed Xavier. There is nothing sinister, or even unusual about that.

[Metal Sphere]

I think we're stretching things wafer thin here. Are we seriously suggesting that people would have to be "strong armed" into moving to a tropical paradise ? For free ? With free food and accommodation ?
This must be the most common fantasy of "mundane " people in the real world !

And as for the minority of the world's population who are living the "good life" , the 1 percenters , then as I've mentioned before the gates seem to be two way . I can see no reason that people can't run lives on and off Krakoa.

The real question is why Krakoans would ever want to leave the island? As pointed out by others, they have free healthcare, free food, housing is grown for them, free transportation, Mojo apparently supplies Krakoans with entertainment from Mojoverse. They are in no danger of being attacked. For the average mutant, there's not objectively good reason for them to go back through the portal. To make it so good all mutants come to Krakoa and STAY on Krakoa. Because mutant unity is the whole point of the endeavor.

And then it makes sense that the few who choose to go back out into an objectively worse world populated by mortals they deem less than, have to get some sort of permission in order to avoid a fracas. It makes sense why Cyclops over in the New Mutants #9 preview would take issue with what some of the younger folks did, the wider world doesn't care about the context. It just sees "4 humans dead, mutants responsible" and the swords get sharped, R&D projects get funded, and popular opinion sours on the mutant-only nation. It's really no different than any other country trying to keep their citizens from going off and doing dumb BS and causing problems. So advisory warnings and travel limitations exist.

[Outburstz]

The real question is why Krakoans would ever want to leave the island? As pointed out by others, they have free healthcare, free food, housing is grown for them, free transportation, Mojo apparently supplies Krakoans with entertainment from Mojoverse. .

Mojoverse where was that?

[Nigel909]

Mojoverse where was that?

Yeah ,as arranged by Sinister.
Shown in Incoming number one.
I dread to think what the kids are watching.

[nandes]

Yeah the leave ban was only a temporary thing. Just a while ago on X-Men/FF #1 we saw Quentin and Daken casually leaving to go shopping somewhere else.

[Chris0013]

The real question is why Krakoans would ever want to leave the island? As pointed out by others, they have free healthcare, free food, housing is grown for them, free transportation, Mojo apparently supplies Krakoans with entertainment from Mojoverse. They are in no danger of being attacked. For the average mutant, there's not objectively good reason for them to go back through the portal. To make it so good all mutants come to Krakoa and STAY on Krakoa. Because mutant unity is the whole point of the endeavor.

Sounds like socialism to me...

And then it makes sense that the few who choose to go back out into an objectively worse world populated by mortals they deem less than, have to get some sort of permission in order to avoid a fracas. It makes sense why Cyclops over in the New Mutants #9 preview would take issue with what some of the younger folks did, the wider world doesn't care about the context. It just sees "4 humans dead, mutants responsible" and the swords get sharped, R&D projects get funded, and popular opinion sours on the mutant-only nation. It's really no different than any other country trying to keep their citizens from going off and doing dumb BS and causing problems. So advisory warnings and travel limitations exist.

Do they stay around and talk to the authorities and the media and put their side of the story out there....or do they slink back to Krakoa, alter their own people's memories (for their own good?!?!?!) and then throw a hissyfit when the media only tells one side?

Real world interlude...if someone breaks into my house and I shoot them in self defense....I don't get to just get rid of the bodies and go on about my business. I would have to call the police, get a shyster, give a statement, be questioned and endure a thorough investigation.

[Tycon]

Sounds like socialism to me...

Oooooooo so scaryyy!

[Nigel909]

Sounds like socialism to me...



Do they stay around and talk to the authorities and the media and put their side of the story out there....or do they slink back to Krakoa, alter their own people's memories (for their own good?!?!?!) and then throw a hissyfit when the media only tells one side?

Real world interlude...if someone breaks into my house and I shoot them in self defense....I don't get to just get rid of the bodies and go on about my business. I would have to call the police, get a shyster, give a statement, be questioned and endure a thorough investigation.

Well as a lifelong socialist all I am say is Long I've Krakoa !!

The rest of the post , I had to check up with the issues to be sure.

The deaths are quite confusing . There were 4 deaths . Mum and Dad are killed by the bad guy and the bad guy kills himself .So that leaves I death I can't pin down. Ilyanna is quite insistent to Cyclops that .giants killed nobody , so I'm not sure.

They clearly left the scene of the crime , and from what Cyclops says the council had to deal with the consequences and are not happy. And again there is this diplomatic immunity / amnesty nonsense to consider.

It was the two creepy little children who altered memories , not the older kids and certainly not any adults .it also clearly shown it was a "bad thing"
And this is explained to the children.

I checked and NO fits ,hissy or otherwise , we're thrown about the newspapers. In fact none of the characters even mention the reports.

I sometimes think there are multiple versions of these comics and we are all reading different ones.

[Chris0013]

Well as a lifelong socialist all I am say is Long I've Krakoa !!

The rest of the post , I had to check up with the issues to be sure.

The deaths are quite confusing . There were 4 deaths . Mum and Dad are killed by the bad guy and the bad guy kills himself .So that leaves I death I can't pin down. Pollyanna is quite insistent to Cyclops that .giants killed nobody , so I'm not sure.

They clearly left the scene of the crime , and from what Cyclops says the council had to deal with the consequences and are not happy. And again there is this diplomatic immunity / amnesty nonsense to consider.

It was the two creepy little children who altered memories , not the older kids and certainly not any adults .it also clearly shown it was a "bad thing"
And this is explained to the children.

I checked and NO fits ,hissy or otherwise , we're thrown about the newspapers. In fact none of the characters even mention the reports.

I sometimes think there are multiple versions of these comics and we are all reading different ones.

Staying to talk to the authorities and the media could have put a better spin on the media reports. Not "mutants kill humans" but "mutants defend themselves after humans kill/kidnap innocents"

And after the creepy french kids altered memories...others went along with it. If creepy french kids altered my memories...and my so called friends went along with it....if I found out there would be dead creepy french kids and so called friends. And if they brought them back...I would kill them again.

[Kisinith]

Staying to talk to the authorities and the media could have put a better spin on the media reports. Not "mutants kill humans" but "mutants defend themselves after humans kill/kidnap innocents"

And after the creepy french kids altered memories...others went along with it. If creepy french kids altered my memories...and my so called friends went along with it....if I found out there would be dead creepy french kids and so called friends. And if they brought them back...I would kill them again.

Except as unremittingly hostile as the greater MU is usually portrayed to be, staying around could just as easily have made it worse. Considering how bad it got, getting out wasn't necessarily a bad idea. One of the founding principals of Krakoa, built on a long established history of precedence is that mutants can't typically trust the media or the authorities.

[Chris0013]

Except as unremittingly hostile as the greater MU is usually portrayed to be, staying around could just as easily have made it worse. Considering how bad it got, getting out wasn't necessarily a bad idea. One of the founding principals of Krakoa, built on a long established history of precedence is that mutants can't typically trust the media or the authorities.

Which is hard to overcome if you just run away from them and don't talk to them. Even with diplomatic immunity (if that somehow applied to everyone) they could have lawyered up and stayed and talked to the authorities and given their side and also done the same with the media. Go on major news networks and tell their side in live interviews and release statements.

[spirit2011]

Which is hard to overcome if you just run away from them and don't talk to them.

They had a PR when Utopiawas happening. They hsould get a PR team